Yabby
Many things come into play with the subject you were trying to discuss. IMOP if we only spoke of farm mangement we could go on for a year. You know that plays a big part in it. Care is the number one issue like= Spelling padocks and not letting them get below a certain level - probably about 50 percent.=

Effective grazing management has the potential to improve the profitability and sustainability of your sheep enterprise. Grazing management can be used to:

Manipulate the quality and quantity of pasture as well as composition
Increase animal production efficiency and achieve production targets
Reduce insect populations
Ensure pasture persistence

In answer to your question I would prefer to use a bullet because I dont believe in knocking them on the head etc.

IMOP if good farming practises were enforced there would be less supply but of a higher quality.

Laws to control management need to be brought in and enforced.
This would be a much easier laws to enforce with a complusory submission to a department is how many head as against per hector. Time to rest paddocks.deduct that from the amount of the herd. Heavy fine for over stocking. Staff per thousand.
The biggest problem in the industry is over stocking on land that simply can not carry it and no plan for drought floods etc.

More Government support to impliment it. Lots of things.

re killing the lambs. Better than live export

by Nicky, Saturday, 26 April 2008 11:38:48 PM
The only animal welfare committee I am aware of is the NCCAW, and I have never seen PALE represented in any of its reports

Nicky 'your agenda' was clear to us from day one of you entering this forum. Again I point out to you that all you and other false names have done for several years now is to hide behind false names attacking our organization.

You understand what I am saying very well Nicky.

Here is just one of your childish stupid bitchy comments again=
You might like to ask yourself why it is Animals Australia, not PALE is the organization which participates in animal welfare debate
At national consulting level though.
Thursday, 24 April 2008

Then Nicky Shock upon horror when I told you we were invited to join NCCAW you quickly changed to this. =

Committee is a sad joke by the Howard government, and I certainly would not be advertising that I was invited to be part of it.

Then you go on to prove the old anti pale emails are still out there going strong because for someone who claims not to know them or work with them.

And then this=
And of course, they don’t speak to you.

Pale comments.

Nicky the more you bag farmers and Muslims the more you play into the hands of the live export shipping agents. The Government will be driven by the industry and those are the two players of the industry.
Now how to fix me?

Give the Government an alternative from farmers and Muslims working together on an alternative program.

Interesting as your so well informed pointed out – Of Course they won’t speak to you?


you’re getting close to understanding 'why' pale was opened.

To expose attitudes of anti farmers and Muslims. To educate the public that there is a good alternative.

However if you tell the public you are black listed by these called peak animal welfare people.

Now you know why waltz and all we support RSPCA.

Something else we are not liked for.

Nicky, you really led us to oxytocin, by accusing me of sexism.
Today the science is far enough advanced so that we can say that
stereotypical men and women might be equal but different.

Our instincts are affected by hormones and oxytocin is the one
that affects women in a maternal, nurturing way.

Women with high levels, become more trusting. You can even learn
about all this stuff if you wish :)

http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=1597&pc=Unknown%20-%20http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-03,GGLD:en&q=hormones+human+behaviour

As to your favourite website, I haven't forgotten it and will do
you an analysis, but I'll do it when I'm in the mood lol, the last
few days have been busy at work, with all this rain here.

Gertrude, I thought you might have at least suggested a portable
gas chamber for orphan lambs :) Fact is, we don't go around carrying
guns all the time. Nicky has yet to reveal if she would try to
take them all home, let them suffer, or dong em on the head.

PALE, it was you, not I, who said that other animal welfare groups will not speak with you. I was merely quoting claims you so repeatedly make (still without substantiating them, I note).

I also only said that there is no evidence of PALE, or Kevin Sheill being represented in NCCAW reports, and I don't believe for a second either would have been invited to be part of such a forum. The NCCAW was not the group to which I was referring; I was assuming that there was another farce set up by the Howard government and/or MLA to which PALE and Sheill may have been inivited to participate.

You bring all this disapprobation upon yourself with your paranoia and bizarre contributions,accusing anyone who disagrees with you of direct sabotage under multiple identities and threats of legal action. I'm not even going to buy into that, it's just too ridiculous for words. According to you, anyone who disagrees with you "hates" farmers, Muslims and the RSPCA as entire collectives, not just certain aspects of what they do. Get real, and get over it.

What is "waltz and all"? For heavens sake, your communications alone bear no resemblance to an organization of any known professional standard. What do you expect?

Nicky

Nicky said
There is no evidence of PALE, or Kevin Sheill being represented in NCCAW reports, and I don't believe for a second either would have been invited to be part of such a forum.

palereplies
No, He was called upon to ‘establish’ the new committee.

This is more than I should give you on here, but you annoy me so much with your time wasting.

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Review of NCCAW

Review of NCCAW
Dear Animal Welfare Stakeholder,
I invite you to Welfare (NCCAW) Animal Welfare Strategy (AAWS) implementation.
NCCAW...

I think you owe us an apology.

Nicky said
The NCCAW was not the group to which I was referring; I was assuming that there was another farce set up by the Howard government and/or MLA to which PALE and Sheill may have been invited to participate.

Pale replies
Oh dear and pray tell me which group you were referring. Hate to miss out on anything exciting. Any Bundys?

Nicky said
And/or MLA to which PALE and Sheill may have been invited to participate

Pale replies

Hilarious, but let me tell you something. If we were ever to be invited to sit at the same table on a project with him along the lines we nagged him with our hkm we would be delighted.

You see Nicky it takes someone who knows all the players and even if you don’t like it is well respected.

Remember he didn’t invent live exports and although of course like you I don’t approve. It doesn’t mean I treat everybody personally as the enemy.

Nicky said
What is "waltz and all"? For heavens sake, your communications alone bear no resemblance to an organization of any known professional standard. What do you expect?

Pale replies
Your doing a wonderful job of demonstrating 'the biggest problem with animal welfare groups.' Its called bitchiness.

That is something I have agreed with Hugh Wirth about one hundred percent.

How did he put it again?

Ok Nicky, we’ll start on the first page. Your banner headline states that “animals
exist for their own reasons and were not made for humans.” Correction - all animals
and other living things are part of nature’s food chain. It is perfectly natural for one
species to eat another species.

*We have all driven alongside or behind 4 tiered road trains carrying sheep and have been distressed and sickened by the sight of limbs of trapped sheep sticking out of the bars, faces and heads squashed against the rails and we have felt the absolute despair when we looked into the eyes of these helpless creatures*

Correction- a few nurturing, maternal types might feel distressed, the rest just accept
that they are sheep going to market. Sheep sticking legs out of trucks happens even if
trucks are not full. No different to us as kids, when we stuck arms, legs and even the
odd butt out of trucks :)

They then show an Animal angel photo of a sheep which got its head and leg caught,
when it is obvious by the photo that the truck is not overloaded. Sheep will stick
their heads through things, then not have the brains to figure out how to get it out
again, not being the brightest. Many merinos die by sticking their heads through
fences around paddocks, but due to the shape of their heads, they can’t get em out,
so die there. Interestingly it only happens in 30cm spaced ringlock type fences,
not 60cm, yet 30cm is the common standard made by fencing manufacturers.
All new fencing on my farm is 60cm, for this very reason.

*that is the equivalent of 133 semi trailers of dead sheep.*

Umm so what? Pile all dead Australians each year into semi trailers, it is a huge
number too. Given the number exported, it’s a reasonable figure, as livestock
experts will agree.

*Live animal export is without doubt, cruel and perverse*

Based on the author’s opinion, no more.

Out of words already and hardly a page done so far!