Nicky, you and I certainly look at the world from quite different
perspectives. You will focus on some pissy issue and try to make
it larger, when it suits your purpose.

I on the other hand, stop and look at the bigger picture.

The fact that installing 70 restraining boxes in SE Asian
processing facilities could have huge benefits for animal welfare,
has clearly passed you by.

Dear Yabby, but is there proof that the Indonesians USE the stun boxes my tax dollars have so generously provided though? Or are they a total waste of money like Bassetin?

If you want to give someone a piece of your mind, you have to be able to spare it.

What precisely is the "pissy issue" to which you refer?
Cheers
Nicky

Dear Nicky,

If the Indonesians were not using them, your little AA spy and her
camera would have filmed it long ago and claimed it as a major
drama. Remember she does not film good stuff, only bad stuff.

Any issue is pissy, when seen in context of the bigger picture.

One swallow never makes a summer.

Hi all
Let me get this straight. If I understand you correctly, Yabby, my reference to the girl in Saudi Arabia being sentenced of a public flogging - and this would be a long way from an isolated instance in these countries - is a pissy issue. Cattle being tortured at Bassetin is a pissy issue. Animals all over the Middle East and South East Asia being tortured is a pissy issue. The big picture is the dollars for the farmers. Now, have I got it right?

There is a very good reason why filming has not been done in Indonesia which I won't bother going into, but it has been done in the Philippines (look what THEY do to dogs and cats!), and it is every bit as bad as what we have seen in the Middle East. Do you think that perhaps it's all done with creative graphics? But that's probably a pissy issue too, in the face of farmers' dollars.

I find the matter of farmers dollars to be the pissy issue in all this, I'm afraid.

Cheers
Nicky

Ok, I will explain it a bit better for you Nicky.

You, who claim to be university educated, should know better. If
you are going to evaluate the benefits or otherwise, of installing
restraining boxes and the benefits to animal welfare etc, you
do a study of all 71, to give you an honest overall result. Just
highlighting problems with one of those 71, is more typical
of the habits of a fishwife, then somebody who claims to be
educated.

Similarly a single case in SA, does not tell you what is going
on in the ME. Look at the bigger picture for once:

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/uae-studies-australian-model-for-animal-welfare-law_10027394.html

Clearly there are huge changes going on there, driven by Dubai.
Not recognising those changes and not working with them to help
bring about change, would be downright foolish.

The question is one of how you do it. The arrogant American/Nicky
big stick approach will fail.

As you can see in your own backyard, right here in Aus, it does not
even work here either.

Stamping your little feet in anger, is not going to get you far
either

Dear Yabby, I read that link.

What a load of absolute claptrap.

Talk about the blind leading the blind. People who support animal cruelty giving presentations to people who practice it - in spades. So there are 71 slaughter boxes in total. Where are the studies on how many of them have been used? Is there only one in the whole of the Middle East - and that one has not been used? The cattle sent there get slaughtered as we have seen on "Sixty Minutes", I guess.

Did you notice that they bashed that Uruguayan bull with such force that he fell to his knees, stunned, trembling and in shock, before they stabbed him to death?

But that's a pissy issue, I guess. And, of course, an isolated instance. And he wasn't Australian, and Australian cattle are treated differently. That importer also imports Australian animals.

But you believe your propaganda, so the rest of us are expected to take your (virtual) quotes from the LiveCorp bible in face value.

Enforcement of animal welfare in Australia? Give us a break!

Only if it's a cat or a dog. Once it's a "food" animal' it doesn't matter. We can breed tens of thousands more and abuse them too, because no-one is going to stop us, are they?

I'm not precisely sure what a "fishwife" thinks or what the significance of the expression is, but I'm sure you will enlighten me.

Yabby, you are a poor, misguided "human being".

Cheers
Nicky