*the brown snakes on Guam are not the deadly version we see here in oz.*

PF it seems that they originate in Oz and have virtually taken over
Guam. Something like 20 snakes to the acre, causing all sorts
of problems. Could be cousins of your Eastern Brown. I guess they
might all taste just fine in a shishkebab :)

* Unlike the australian trouser snake *

Ahh, now they are an exception! They are highly prized and loved
by their owners, who take them everywhere. They just spit a little
when really happy :)

Nicky said

Speaking of instability - who, for heavens sake, are Debbie and Suzanne?

Pale replies-

Well er, Nicky that is untrue and you know it.
You girls remember should remember while playing your silly spiteful games to take each others tags off> Note that we would know you pair anywhere by your trade mark as nati and trouble makers

You posted this Nicky
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When you look at these bodies on your table at Christmas, remember these animals had faces. They felt heat, cold, pain, terror and loneliness.

Enjoy!
Suzanne Cass
Nicky

Posted by Nicky, Saturday, 2 February 2008 11:54:28 PM

Hi Cuphandle and PF (I won't bother with a salutation to the rest)

Cuphandle, I think you're right, now that these people have descended into total idiocy, it's time to retire from this thread. The problem is when you start another one, no matter how worthwhile, they infiltrate that too, and it really is shameless publicity for their particular slaughtering organization - and nothing more. It seems safe to assume that the "Directors" of HKM and PALE would be sharing any profits (should it ever get off the ground), and you can't really do that in the name of "caring for the animals", and expect to have any credibility, I'm afraid (PF, you and I parted company here. Are you breeding animals to live a normal, healthy lifespan?)

No-one but the PALE contingent has engaged in any abuse. I made no criticism of anyone's language difficulties, I merely pointed out the similarities between the postings of a number of supposedly different individuals. And unfortunately, with spelling errors like "plains/planes" your website loses credibility through lack of professional editing. Music does nothing for such a website either, especially THAT music. To whom is it meant to appeal?

As for the PALE petition being on the website of every AMIEU branch, unfortunately, it is not even on one of them. WA is the only branch to mention live exports at present and I expect the material they have is from PACAT (not PAACT). And that was not the question. Finally, if the CEO of RSPCA Queensland is as supportive as you collectively claim, why would he not make a contribution in your defence (you surely need it!)? I suspect that he doesn't know the extent to which his name is being taken "in vain". Taryn, I expect that if you cannot behave in a more civilized fashion on these threads, there must be a machanism by which you can be barred, so I should tread more carefully if I were you. Who cares about donations members of your family make to which organizations? It is totally irrelevant.

Nicky

Yabby, you forgot to mention the most important attribute of the trouser snake! Their proud owners use them to think with :)

"PF, you and I parted company here. Are you breeding animals to live a normal, healthy lifespan?)"

Nicky, I dont know of anyone that breeds any animal if not for profit of some kind - including cats and dogs. How that animal (raised for meat) is treated before its eventual slaughter is what is important to me but seems irrelevant to a few veggie groups. Define a normal healthy lifespan. In many many cases that would be far less pleasant than being kept on a farm, in fact many animals live longer lives in these conditions.

Nicky I have been amused by your responses to pale of late, it was not that long ago that you were chastising me for the very same thing!

PALE, now I'm convinced I am dealing with an iliterate as well as someone decidedly off the air. Your confusing me with Suzanne Cass, who I understand is an activist in Tasmania, is flattering.

If you look - really slowly and carefully - you will see that I have copied from an article written by Suzanne, which includes her name, then signed mine below that. If you couldn't make that distinction, it's hardly surprising that you haven't been successful in a) getting a business venture happening and b) becoming a credible entity in animal welfare. Sorry to have disappointed you! We do not even live in the same state.

It seems you have also managed to attribute the name Debbie to a 69 year old retired male farmer (Cuphandle). You really must get a grip on this paranoia of yours. You may contribute in any number of identities, but that does not mean everyone does.
Nicky!!

*Their proud owners use them to think with :)*

Ahh, but at least that makes them uncomplicated and highly
predictable :)

Nicky, ok so now we know that your ideology is all about
animal liberation etc.

Now explain something to me. Lets say that tomorrow you are
hit by a proverbial bus. All very sad really, the relies would
shed some tears and then everyone moves on. You in reality, would
be down the recycling path, as we all land up. But you would
not know a thing about it, so it really would not matter in the
bigger scheme of things.

Its a fact of life that if we risk living, we risk dying. Some
live longer then others, thats just how life plays out.

Now explain to me where I get this wrong, but I get the impression
that you think that the animals on this farm would be better off
having had no life, then life on a free range farm. Next, if
some of those animals have their lives ended early, just as you
could, if that proverbial bus hit you, then you think thats wrong.

To me this all makes no sense at all, unless somebody has a totally
paranoid fear of dying or something.

Why won't you accept that only so many of a species can live
at one time, in a sustainable way, or they die of starvation?
Thats the reality. Given that none of the animals that land
up having their lives shortened will miss a day of it, just like
you won't, if lifes dice falls that way, I just don't see
where your problem is.