Hello Nicky,

Nobody is forcing anybody to do something.
Pale is only a few years old and is well known to the Governments both past and present for its Animal Welfare policies.

Pale has invited people of all Animal Welfare Groups to meet with Overseas Delegations and introduce them to farmers and had been met with hostility.

Pale is educating the public about animal welfare for what it really is.I personally think it is doing a great job.

Nicky, you seem to have a problem with accepting a kinder way of killing the animals here in AU instead of letting them suffer on their long trips and before and during slaughter? Why?
Do you think Pale likes to see animals killed? Certainly not, but at least the Organization cares enough about the animals whatever species to find an alternative to the cruelty to animals.
If Pale can achieve for the animals to have a much more humane death close to home I am sure if you don`t but at least the animals appreciate it.
Saying I don`t eat meat and then turning a blind eye to their suffering is not solving the animals misery, is it.
I notice that Pale ask you some questions on another threat before and you did not reply? Why? What is your solution besides not eating meat?
You put up a link re …RSPCAwatchdog.
What about PETA?

PETA Kills Animals | PetaKillsAnimals.com
That's more than five defenseless animals every day. ... The North Carolina animal-cruelty trial of two PETA employees ended with a surprising result, ...
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You stir, but when it comes to the crunch you run…
I am listening.

1. Can't remember the questions, I am asked so many. Nor have I ever pretended to have all the solutions (as PALE does, but we little evidence of them happening)

2. There must be reasons why other groups chose not to associate themselves with PALE (possibly to do with the profits from HKM? Attitude?). PALE chooses not to give us those reasons, but continually makes allegations against other groups which it does not substantiate. That alone raises some legitimate concerns. They can't ALL be wrong, as PALE implies, since they are all promoting a ftrozen meat trade as well.

3. I won't dignify the statement about my not preferring the animals being slaughtered closer to home, it's just too fatuous

4. How many dogs and cats does the RSPCA euthanize every year? 200,000. Of course PETA is forced to euthanize dogs who cannot be found homes - they pay the price for human irresponsibility, neglect and cruelty. Alternatve methods to PETA's painless injections in the US include starving them to death, gassing them, inserting needles into their hearts ... need I go on?

Nicky

Gertrude, I heard a news report on the radio, about a brown snake
entering a chicken joint on the Gold Coast and some customers
climbing up on the counters to escape. For some reason I wondered
if it was perhaps you :)

Gertrude relpies.
Gee Yabbs,I am disappointed you didn’t pick up on that one. Remember I promised to do something about snakes.
Where else would I take the bugger other than an intensive poultry outlet:)



Thanks M S.

Nicky said she can’t recall the questions. Fair enough. Tell you what I will post them again.

Nicky said
Can't remember the questions, I am asked so many. Nor have I ever pretended to have all the solutions (as PALE does, but we little evidence of them happening)

pale comments

Nicky that’s a silly comment. Of course we can’t do it all alone but there has been a step in the right direction when you have a RPCA Branch working in Conjunction with another like ours.

I think that’s a first in the one hundred years or so of RSPCA history.
That’s shows RSPCA QLD is fair dinkim in their efforts to faze out live and replaces it with chilled.

Then you have a worlds first of pales MOU with Muslim Leaders working to improve Animal Welfare.
(But you say you can’t see any evidence) of solutions to the live trade being worked on by pale.

If you lot cant see it’s a plus to work together with the people who have the contacts to do something about the live trade in ME then I can’t help you.
I suggest you open your eyes. The demand for meat as Asia gets richer is going to be enormous and unless we come up with alternatives now it will never stop. Just as clearly the alternatives must be sensible ones that work for the farmer in Australia as well as ME buyers
HKM is a part of that project and pale are the only ones prepared to sit at the table and discuss sensible viable alternatives.

continued
Here is one question that you refuse to answer Nicky Whats your peoples plan? I put it to you that despite what is on the web sites the other groups refuse to work with us because they oppose the HKM project which you so helfully point out.
I further sugest to you that we have that in writing from the others.
Heres another question= Then why put on the sites they support the diversion from live trade to chilled while strongly opposing that very work being undertaken.
Please remember RSPCA and PALE are main stream organisations that do not oppose people eating meat but encourage the humane slaughter of animals as close to origen as possible.

I cant see where it helps to IMOP mislead the public because that works against the aniimals and our efforts to at least make conditions as best as possible.
Would I like to see the world go veggie personally Nicky. YES.
That wont do it however so we do what we can.

God Grant me the
SERENITY
to accept the things I cannot change
COURAGE
to change the things
I can and
WISDOM
to know the "difference"

P.A.L.E.:
Why don`t you start your own Webpage instead of trying desperately to invade and dominate these other Threads?

You seem to be conducting some sort of vendetta against any and all suggestions or comments posted by "Nicky"and the like!

I think that in your case the "trigger" word in this thread was "meat" .....a material that seems to have replaced grey matter in your so radical and self-centred empty void which seems to be wasting the space above your shoulders!

I suggest that there is an opening for you in the well-paid and under-worked world of Politics, after all they seem to talk a lot of Bovine excreta,..all talking and none listening, but achieving solace in the forcing of their views upon the rest of their idiot mates, whilst supping at the rich cup of the taxpayer`s purse!

You seem to be destroying any chance of sympathy for your cause because of your inherent rudeness and arrogance,....thus the opening as a politician!

For your information and for what it is Worth (sic),....those horses were down and many did die in the most distressing circumstances such as foaling, infection from barbed wire injuries and just plain starvation,....all reported to the RSPCA but to no avail, so in future I would NOT waste my time with you or the RSPCA!

Gertrude, given that you don't like brown snakes, you could
always put them to good use. Brown snakes have actually just
about taken over the island of Guam, wiping out a great deal
of the wildlife, birds etc.

In Thailand, where cobras are common, there are plenty of
cobra restaurants. Perhaps you have a career ahead of you
selling halal brown snake shishkebabs :)