Hi Cuphandle,I found your comment interesting & one more people should ask about many fresh food products.I know of one local store recently who were finally caught out.Once the meat had reached its used by date it was taken out back,have you ever taken a long hard look at marinated meat or when cooking it a slimy or sticky feel?The butcher reported this company to the health dept, he didn't agree with their tactics particularly as some meat had a green tinge.Of course we have the same old excuses from the health dept's,not enough health inspectors to do the job.The company was fined but there should be regular checks,I'm sure there not the only super market that indulged in this practice.

Hi Cuphandle,I found your comment interesting & one more people should ask about many fresh food products.I know of one local store recently who were finally caught out.Once the meat had reached its used by date it was taken out back,have you ever taken a long hard look at marinated meat or when handling before cooking it has a slimy or sticky feel?The butcher reported this company to the health dept, he didn't agree with their tactics particularly as some meat had a green tinge.Of course we have the same old excuses from the health dept's,not enough health inspectors to do the job.The company was fined but there should be regular checks,I'm sure there not the only super market that indulged in this practice.

Hi all
I think it is safe to say that there is no such thing as cruelty-free meat, since an animals has suffered and died so that you can eat it. As for whale meat, the Japanese have every right to tell other countries, including (especially?) Australia to "clean up its own backyard first", intesive farming practices being what they are.

I once had a student in one of my classes who had worked at McDonald's. She said that you can put a Macca's beefburger out in 40 degree heat for several days and it will not go off, so full of preservatives is it.

I took up the issue of free-range pork/ham/bacon at several of my local supermarkets over a period. Each meat manager (those who had heard of the term "free range") said "we only buy from producers who comply with the Code of Practice". I pointed out the provisions of the Code of Practice for pigs, and none - not one - was prepared to discuss the matter any further.

As for meat being a cheaper nutrient - it's probably a cheaper carcinogen and cause of arteriosclerosis than fresh fruit and vegetables, and lacks most of the nutrients. And you can't tell me that the hundreds of trays of meat in supermarket refrigerators all gets sold either. So what DO they do with it?

Cheers
Nicky

*there is no such thing as cruelty-free meat, since an animals has suffered and died so that you can eat it.*

So are you saying Nicky, that the animal would have been better off,
never having lived at all? You have lived, you have suffered no doubt,
was it worth it? When you die, some species will eat your
carcass, thats the reality.

I certainly reject your above statement, as I think that some farm
animals enjoy their lives and lead happy lives. Yes, some even do
die of old age on farms. Yup some get eaten, as we all will in the
end. Fact is, if we risk living, we risk dying. Suffering is about
a question of degree, versus the joys of living, for whatever species.

There are plenty of farm animals who have far better lives, with
far less suffering, then millions of humans. Who eats them once they
die, I don't think they really care. I certainly don't, once I die.

As to meat trays being sold, I suggest that you go and have a look
at your local supermarket, when they get out the pen and start
discounting. You would be amazed!

The Europeans have a good sense of balance, when it comes to diet.
Meat portions are maybe 150g, as part of a complete meal. So
they don't have all the problems that the Americans and now Aussies
have. If people want to rely on Maccas for their nutrition, well
thats up to them. American fast food AFAIK is not about healthy,
balanced nutrition.

Sometimes in the middle of the night but every week a truck pulls up outside every butcher shop and meat retailer.
2 hefty blokes dash in the back door and pick up first the bones then the fat.
If any meat is included it is very rare.
This trundled out and loaded on the truck becomes meat meal or fertilizer ,exported or used locally little is wasted.
While I understand animal cruelty is always wrong, it truly is, we shall always eat meat.
It is, my view alone, counter productive to attack animal cruelty, another issue at the butcher shop.
In fact not much waste will be found in truth I await to see Woolworth's pre pack tail tags and sell them as they sell just about everything else.
I truly do want an end to animal cruelty but do not find it as often as we are lead to believe.

"I once had a student in one of my classes who had worked at McDonald's. She said that you can put a Macca's beefburger out in 40 degree heat for several days and it will not go off, so full of preservatives is it."

I am surprised Nicky that you would believe this comment, and of just one student? Macdonalds have the strictest standards for all their beef patties and there are no preservatives in them. BTW did you know that any abattiors that kill for Macdonalds have to be assessed by Temple Grandin?

Supermarket freshness cannot be trusted. Buy your 'fresh' food at the greengrocer and local butcher. You can ask more questions and they dont have the vast cold storage the supermarkets have so the food has to be fresher.