Hi all

Cuphandle, thanks for that, and I couldn't agree more about the RSPCA. I understand that arrangements with RSPCA Queensland are different from those in other states insofar as RSPCAQueensland does not have responsibility for the enforcement of POCTAA legislation with farm animals (ie they get the good news stories about companion animals and none of the bad about farm animals). They then get upset when groups like AAQ step in over farm animals.

I'm aware of the horses you mention (in Victoria?) - ALV has a great website RSPCA Watchdog. Horses don't actually have to be "down" to be seized - there would need to be exigent circumstances and a refusal to comply with directives, I suspect, but those are open to interpretation, and if the horses were as bad as they certainly appeared to be then there is no question that the RSPCA should have seized them. ALV has begged the RSPCA to act over shocking abuses in battery hen and meat chicken farms as well with no success. There has been plenty of similar cases elsewhere. It's clearly wrong to have a "charity" enforcing legislation and it is the only legislation to be so enforced - when that charity shows itself to be unwilling or unable to act. Every RSPCA branch is sitting on investments worth in the millions, provided by people who think they are protecting animals. They invest it rather than spending it on additional inspectors and winnable prosecutions.

PALE does actually have a website (watch out for the music!). But I still see much talk and no action about MoUs, (i.e. proof), any current operations (indicating progress in all these plans), likewise the statements attributed to other groups discussed here, nor do I see RSPCA Queensland representatives entering discussions here. Muslim leaders referred to are extraordinarily reticent as well.

PALE, as for what I do, I will confine my description to publicity, politics and science. Not (what would appear to be) imaginary slaughtering plants.

Yabby, the allusion to brown snakes escapes me a bit - what am I missing here?
Cheers
Nicky

Nicky,
Can't remember the questions,

MS:
Hold your horses right here,will you. I will respond to that in another reply....

As a member of the public I never read that PALE claimed to have all the answers, but it makes every effort to provide the answers within a specific time frame.

2. There must be reasons why other groups chose not to associate themselves with PALE

MS: In my personal opinion Pale does not need to provide proof,it`s there for everybody to read.

That alone raises some legitimate concerns. They can't ALL be wrong, as PALE implies, since they are all promoting a ftrozen meat trade as well.

MS: I am speaking for myself here:Yeh, only on the website but when it comes down to it you are not and they are not. Proof me wrong.

3. I won't dignify the statement

MS: Are you implying that you rather see the animals being disrespected and cruelly treated overseas?

4. How many dogs and cats does the RSPCA euthanize every year?

MS:
Nicky the Rspca can only do what it can within its budged.
You seem to protect PETA who have far more money to play around with than RSPCA will ever have - and yet you do not condone them putting down animals.
Do you know how and where they invest their monies?
The RSPCA are not supported by PETA unlike some Australian Animal Welfare Groups
May if ask where your organization is putting it`s money?

Cuphandle
If you have to say something say it to “me directly”
After all I `ve posted that letter.
I made the comments within my right and observations.
Your unprofessional reply speaks for itself.
Since when does Nicky need a spokes person? If she can stir and provoke people on her own account she can face the music to reply to questions the public asks.

That aside I believe your reply on Nicky’s behalf is a bit more than below the Beltline.
I demand an apology from you and a retraction of your lack of educational wordings against me personally and Pale…
I do not tolerate such language in my home left alone on a public forum.

You may speak freely to your family in such a (*&^ %$#@@*)disrespectful manner but “certainly” not to me or any other member of the public.
Is that understood?

If I were you I would hit the delete button ASAP as your reply is of no benefit to yourself or your organization...

For what it’s worth your educational standard seems to be on a very primitive level.
“Ich nehme nicht Woerter in meinen Mund die ich nicht in die Hand nehme”
Translated:” I do not take word into my mouth that I do not take into my hands.”
No Vendetta is going on against Nicky. …Your united efforts don’t seem to achieve the results you expected.
You are full of despise, yet you stir and deliberately provoke people to find out more, but when Nicky or some one else is being ask a question they don’t respond.

To cover up your incompetence to reply and to your own discredit you then badmouth people with no evidence in the pipeline.

If you don’t want to debate this serious animal welfare matter in an appropriate and civilized manner it’s up to you, but keep it professional respectful and civilised.
If you don’t want to discuss the matter on your own threat as a civilised adult,
I suggest you stay out of the debate knit and some jumpers for your children or grandchildren.

cAnd yes, when it comes to the crunch you run except for this low standard level of reply. There is no need for you cuphandle to use dirty, filthy uncivilised language if Nicky is not willing to respond to questions asks.

Just say that you can not answer the question but don’t go diverting the topic because of “ your” failure or inability to respond.


Not one of you has offered a solution or alternative to the cruel live exports what so ever and yet you believe to be above everybody else and can treat others like what ever.
You met with me the wrong person.

Cuphandle said:
I suggest that there is an opening for you ..

MS:Your filthy language does not make two wrongs right.
Your own uncivilised words speak for themselves and they are there for everybody to read …
Isn’t it marvellous to think one can get away with it just by using a Nickname??

By the way you are wrong. People are listening- they comprehend what’s written on the Forum.
They think about it and are capable of making up their own minds.
Pale does not have all the answers but tries to get the info when being ask…

Just because you started the thread does not mean that you have the right to use inappropriate language and bad-mouth people for speaking the truth.
The truth is “already” out there for everybody to read.
May be you are illiterate? No offence meant.
Where is your proof to substantiate your claims to back up your bad mouthing? Pale can provide evidence by the numbers

Cuphandle:
You seem to be destroying any chance!

MS:No, wrong again, you destroy your own or what’s left of it.
Unlike you PALE is straight forward and does not want sympathy for its cause.
Pale’s priority is and always was animal welfare.
Its agenda is to inform the public to broaden their view about the Animal Welfare in AU in general and to help farmers to get a better deal for their product.
What is yours?
ontinued:

Gertrude, given that you don't like brown snakes, you could
always put them to good use. Brown snakes have actually just
about taken over the island of Guam, wiping out a great deal
of the wildlife, birds etc.

Gertrude Replies
Hilarious
Yupp, we could toss in a Halal veggie platter to go! :)

More Hilarious (for you) I’ve given it serious consideration... I find the idea, rather ’liberating’ :) Mind you I’d need a catcher ah, Yabbs. Umm, a U catch em, we’ll, sell em deal 75 % your way. After all you’d be taking all the risks. :)

You needn`t worry yourself about those old sheep Yabbs we’ll look after them while your gone.

Reckon we could turn some into eBay stars- You know a buy me ` now ‘please’ tag. Tayn would be there in a flash!

Hell we could all keep thehome fire burning and think of the possibilities– the worst that could happen would be the world might loose another person supporting live exports:)

- Small sacrifices along the way but you know all about sacrifices don’t you Yabbs.
Cuphandle,

It was ah, the “both of you “that went off topic I will remind you – not pale... You appear to be a past master of manipulation at diverting our topics.
We can’t get two words out on any of the without the cavalry arriving to bag pale and post PETA material.

I will also remind you that pale support much of the work done by peta and other groups but now reject the obtuse attitude at the hatred that has been returned.

We joined OLO as full members and as such we get a vote like every other member – nothing more. You will see our web site on OLO however haven’t put the petition up as yet so thanks for reminding us.

The plan so far you may have noticed to stop our work has failed miserably.

Thats because you all underestimated the intention of pale from day one.

Whats" "really"" the problem with people working 'self funded' to help Animals ?

Ahh, but Yabby, the brown snakes on Guam are not the deadly version we see here in oz. It is in fact the brown tree snake you speak of. Yes they do do damage to wildlife but not so much to humans. Unlike the australian trouser snake or the well known snake in the grass ;)

Maybe you are unfamiliar with the eastern brown?