Yabby
I think your favorite girl, PF is having a dig at you. You don’t reckon she’s sus your a tad err, sneaky do you whoever would have thought it ah. :)

Btw how’s that new web site going for the Government? I looked for it but couldn’t find it in the mass of sites protesting against live exports ah :):)

I was wondering who catches those snakes for the restaurants would you know.

Also can people breed them? I suppose they can since they keep them in tanks. After all the aboriginals ate them.

It would a excellent way to highlight the hypocacy of some protecting snakes and ignoring other intensive farms.
Got a spare room there yabbs we wouldn’t want them to get cold and anyway you’d have company:)
I am sure you could rely on the team to do the advertising:)

Cup handle, ladies= Why don’t you open a thread on the benefits of being a vegetarian.

It’s bound to attract completely different posters. IMOP you would get a lot of support.

Your reply Cup handle
When starting a thread it doesn’t automatically mean control of others.

“I remind you it was yourselves who went off topic.”

It might also be wise not to dig a bigger hole than some find themselves in already by saying things that are untrue about a person or organization.

At the end of the day despite pretend names every person using a public forum is still responsible for his or her comments. Following of course correct producers it really isn’t difficult to pursue.

It would seem we do have something in common. Our concerns are along the par with yourself and the Australian Government= on both sides. They don’t like the ‘stand over malcontents ‘either.

We can not have any ‘peak’ representatives OF ANYTHING only prepared to work with a very small percentage to push extreme views That’s rather disingenuous given any leader is meant to represent the majority.

TO BE CONTINUED

Yes and I would like to say after moving from NSW to QLD to work with pale I am happy to be involved in a program that is attacking at the root of the problem not sitting on the fence.

Nor can we have misleading information put out either on web sites or any other way. We all must be honest in what we stand for to the public always.

To use or abuse any position to purposely disadvantage some of the public is not only morally wrong it’s unethical.

I will give you an example= If for instance we had a peak child welfare organization who actively directed all their members not to speak with work with some of the community = Lets say the aboriginal people or Muslim people( Example only) Then that would be very wrong indeed .

It would make matters even worse if for example that peak organization had influenced Senators or people in power to ensure some people were favored or perhaps some cut out.

It would be exceptional don’t you think if= example again %98 of the public were main stream with pretty ordinary views.

That in fact would mean you had a peak group directing and instructing the members to disregard the wishes of %98 percent of public.

It would also be taken I would hope rather seriously by our Government if people were being targeted in any way and was a clear abuse of powers to disadvantage some.

Australians not a place for extremism in any manner and nor is it a place for bullying the little guy.

. We support everybody working to improve welfare and that is simply a matter of record.

intentions have always been to increase the carcass trade at the expense of live Instead of just telling everybody how horrible it is we wanted to do more.

HKM is a Program organized between Muslim leaders of Australia and we to work united to improve Animal Welfare.

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It is a arm of pale set up especially to work with our Muslim Leaders to attack the problem of the animal welfare concerns that we all share.

I share some of the task while also working with international agencies

Many Muslim people are Veggies as we term them and more are concerned about a fair go for farm animals.

It must be said BTW that Debbie and Suzanne along with hundreds of others have dedicated their lives to stand up for Animals.

These people who give an extraordinary amount of their time and many for free our true treasures of this country.

I am also fortunate enough to share an office with some other treasures that do just the same amount of work being Taryn Winter and Wendy Lewthwaite and my name is Antje Struthmann. I work with several organizations and they all do wonderful things but above all my hat goes many people in the public who just cant do enough-

There are also many others working tirelessly and some of those people are at RSPCA QLD. Despite the lack of proper laws IMOP we have in Australia we are all doing what we can.

This is our Motto and hope it gives you the strength to make the right choices in your endeavors to improve the welfare of our most innocent of all= Our Australian Farm Animals

We may have different ways but united we are for the animals and that will never change.

GOD grant me the
SERENITY
To accept the things I cannot change
COURAGE
To change the things
I can, and
WISDOM
To know the
Difference.

Hi all

My final comment to this thread is ... there has to be a certain significance and irony to PALE using the Alcoholics Anonymous prayer as its slogan. It might explain the severe thought disturbances that go on there, including outlandish claims and attributing bizarre identities to anyone they see as threats. It must be the persecution complex.

One thing I forgot to add last night was that I would suggest that PALE check with each state branch of the AMIEU, because its worthless electronic petition does NOT appear on even one website. AMIEU WA has a PACAT version, and that is the only mention of live exports. Get over it, PALE, those were just more wild and unsubstantiated claims. If you think you can get a politician to present that to Parliament, go for it.

I'm sure that no Australian Senator (and we all know you mean Bartlett) is incapable of independent thought, and therefore is not unduly influenced by any group, "peak" or otherwise. Maybe if I ever have the energy to deal with PALE's claptrap again, I might try and find out what "international agencies" they are dealing with; that should be a whole new series of "off the wall" claims.

Cuphandle, I'm sure we will meet again on other threads. Likewise Yabby and PF, I have learned interesting facts from both of you, so thank you, even if we do not always agree. PF, I really hope your labelling project has been a huge success, you certainly deserve it.

See ya!
Nicky

Nicky

What the- Difference does it make to you if pale have their petition up om AMIEU. The only reason pale pointed that out is once again you tried to make out they were not honest. It was you who raised the AMIEU with such wild claims as pale had nil to do with them.

This is and you are so childish but it gives an insight to others as to the mentality and the nasty people demading others dont eat meat.

Now it just so happens that it was 'my job' back then to get it to all the states- the amieu i am speaking about and it was put on the federal one as well.
So what. Whats the big deal. Its not like its called a stop to the live trade is it?
I didnt see anybody mention Andrew either.
Its clear helping animals isnt your first concern and its clear you hate the fact we work to support rspca qld. As a member who has helped out as often as possible in the pale office i can say i have opended more hate mail from looney veggies than i ever thought possible.
You should know by now pale wont be bullied as others have out of animal welfare.
Too bad if you dont like the HKM programe Nicky. Too bad if you dont like RSPCA. Go do your own thing . You are so clever then come up with something yourself ok

For what it is of interest to you I do not really know but here is the petition on the sight and i am personally very dissapointed with your carrying on so in the name of animal welfare.
Thats the problem with you veggies maybe you lack something.
Heres the petition UP ON THE SITE CAN YOU READ!!

http://www.amieu.asn.au/

http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php

Well at least pale taught you to speak with a bit more respect to farmers ! Glory Be! .

I will further say to anybody reading this that I have seen the most
discusting letters sent to the pale office from people calling them animal killers and all sorts of other names.
I love animals and have done since i was a baby. All my life i just wanted to be somewhere or find somewhere that i felt i could contribute.
My family and I joined lots of groups for many things but i always felt silly and frustrated just turning up on a special day and standing there or raising money because for me that wasnt doing enough.
I have been a part and involved with many groups all of my or most of my life and we still send our money off each month and sigh petition and so forth.

I think its the right thing to do to look seek and I hope find ways by talking to farmers and talking to people especially the Muslims who buy so many animals to try to improve methods of slaughter and lesson their time travelling.
My family and I do eat meat so of course that makes me enermy number one.Until these veggies understand that most people eat meat its going to be this war of words i fear.
I dont think it would be fair after all pales been through to support Minister McGuran in this court action because apart from pale and RSPCA he is right they are all over the top and dreadul people whom as much as I try I am growing to actually hate.

I never thought i would feel that way about somebody else who loves animals but people eat meat and why should pale be bullied out of animal welfare!What has happend on OLO is the norm at the office. I know becauseI have copped the calls myself.
Whats Wrong with these people! I am really angry now. Why attack good people working hard to help the animals. I never want to hear the word libbers again and i USED to donate to them