Hi all

From Rudd'a biography:-

"In 1998 Mr Rudd again contested the seat of Griffith and was elected to the Parliament of Australia. He was immediately elected Chair of the Parliamentary Labor Party’s Committee on National Security & Trade and served on a variety of parliamentary committees and taskforces. Following the November 2001 election, Mr Rudd was appointed Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs, subsequently adding responsibilities for International Security in 2003 and Trade in 2005".

So half right and half wrong. He had no responsibility for Trade until 2005. Burke will do as he is told, and I don't think O'Brien would have.

Rudd and Co. have made it very clear that they have no interest in animal welfare (look at what wimps they proved to be about whaling - it's all about the trade dollar), preferring the soft option of sucking up to the farmers. The only way to bring pressure to bear is through the unions, because the unions make bigger contributions to the ALP than anyone. I've just finished a lengthy report full of statistical data for the AMIEU.

I think they will see PALE as having its own agenda in the form of its business interests with HKM - that may work in your favour, who knows? But while they can sell lots of Australian built Toyota Camrys to the Middle East, they're not going to stop selling them animals, for them to do with as they wish.

The verdict on the "Al Kuwait" case is to be delivered tomorrow - but the magistrate will have been leaned on, and they will get off, of course. The WA government will see to that, and it will prove what a farce animal welfare legislation, and the ASEL, really are in Australia

Nicky

Nicky

*Thanks for sharing re the case. It would be a well deserved win for AA and a huge shot in the arm for justice and Animal Welfare.

RE: I remember he was Shadow for Downer and yes Trade too. It was his cap for Trade Minister as well as Downers Shadow we requested he act under.
Regardless he was the man. Sorry splitting hairs
I accept what you are saying. - Thank you

Nicky
Rudd and Co. have made it very clear that they have no interest in animal welfare (look at what wimps they proved to be about whaling –

Pale
They have done more about Whaling than Howard.
Yes it’s about the trade dollar but he’s not really sucking up to farmers either. He’s sucking up to China and Asia so it’s vital we have them supporting whatever we put in front of him.

Nicky
The only way to bring pressure to bear is through the unions, because the unions make bigger contributions to the ALP than anyone. I've just finished a lengthy report full of statistical data for the AMIEU.

Pale
Umm, but they are being misinformed- told tall stories about migrant abuse and so forth.

Nicky
I think they will see PALE as having its own agenda in the form of its business interests with HKM - that may work in your favor, who knows? But while they can sell lots of Australian built Toyota Camrys to the Middle East, they're not going to stop selling them animals, for them to do with as they wish.

Pale

Umm, No ‘ they are not going to stop selling them live but ‘others’ have a great interest to take over the meat trade.

It’s no different to living here really. There’s always the bloke down the road that wants to be the biggest car sales yard etc

Farmers Federation MLA Live Coupe Austrade kept that a secret ‘protecting’ the live trade industry in the past under Howard Vaile Downer.

MLA Austrade farmer’s federation PROTECTS the Live Shipping exporters with their lives!

OPEN Enquiry into MLA required.

'They have done more about Whaling than Howard."

False

They have sent the campaign to stop whaling backwards. Although HSI won their court case, the australian government refused to serve the papers on Japan. They have refuse also to hand over their video evidence (to use in court) to prove that Japan has broken any laws.

Its not about trade so much as about fear that australia's ownership of antartic waters will be challenged and that the whale sactuary is not recognised by all countries.

It is rumoured that the a large percentage of the kill from last year still sits in freezers as the Japanese people dont want whaling to continue. Seems its more about not losing face.

PF

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2008/02/07/2156845.htm

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1418&page=0

Nicky
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/08/2158299.htm?site=wa

Comment= this goes a long way to prove the Case of RSPCA against MLA those Laws is unenforceable:

= A BRILLIANT step forward with undisputable evidence.

Perhaps the Magistrate saw it that way too.

This is better than the live exporters getting off with a fine.

I must Say Nicky I a becoming very impressed with AA.

What a clever way to go about evidence of the very thing RSPCA are saying.

"Well Done! Animals Australia, love it.

Hi all
It proves that there won't ever be any justice for the animals within the present legislative framework. In fact, the magistrate, Catherine Crawford (can't imagine why it took her four years to arrive at the conclusion she should just "pass the buck", perhaps she doesn't think very fast) found the cruelty charges under the WA legislation proven beyond a reasonable doubt before deferring to Commonwealth law. It certainly does prove the assertions in the RSPCA report to be absolutely right. None of this, however, helps the animals at the mercy of these offenders.

Such is the influence of this industry, and its outlandish claims. Jodie Thompson (that unbiased one...), who also writes for Countryman in WA, claimed fatuously in the West Australian today that this trade is worth $1.8 billion - according to the 2007 official ABS Year book, the 2005-2006 value of the live sheep and cattle trade was $649,812,000. That's a long way short of 1.8 billion - about 1.2 billion short to be exact.

You have to wonder if Crawford was "leaned on".

Given that Animals Australia's subsequent investigations have revealed the same cruelty covered in sections of this case, it will be interesting to see what the next move is. They have put so much into this, it's unlikely that they will let it end here.

Cheers
Nicky
PS - Sending the Ocean Viking to film what the Japanese whalers are doing is hardly a serious protest by the Australian government. When the Federal Court ruled that the activities were illegal, representatives from that company should have been arrested. Better still, send in the navy to sink the ships - they have no problems sending in the navy to deal with recalcitrant refugees of the human variety.

Nicky said

It certainly does prove the assertions in the RSPCA report to be absolutely right. None of this, however, helps the animals at the mercy of these offenders.

pale reponds

Yes it does. If you combine the RSPCA of MLA along with the calls for An inderpendant Enquiry into MLA from the Abattoir Association and Animals Australia`s.
Clever move to get this as a court finding.

Pales continues also for calls to Kevin Rudd to hold an enquiryinto MLA and fund the set aside AWB Enquiry allowing it to complete its job

Well he knows the whole of Animal Welfare Laws are just a front and people will not put up with it any longer.

Nicky
Contiuned from 7th 8th

We need a new structure with fresh faces and no rates mate’s deals and favors. They claimed they ‘couldn’t continue with the AWB enquiry- Lack of funds he he he. It’s very important that is picked up by the Rudd Government. – There’s a direct trail.

I am hopeful Rudd will make it a more even field and the new Ministers for Foreign Affairs and Trade will put that on the table along with other discussions when representing this country.

From Your comment regarding Government and HKM-
They know the HKM Agenda and they know it’s for Animal Welfare. Nicky I could NEVER personally take one read cent of abattoir money.
However yes its comong from a totally different angle which is the industry itself.
Just Halal alone is a trillion of dollar Industry and growing very fast.
HKM is a program and Muslims will donate a agreed percentage back into Animal Welfare.

I want to know when I am gone Animal Welfare groups will have able funds and direct input allowing them to also improve animal welfare.

However remember each will have a Halal Vegetable farm and they were KEEN to open their Halal veggie fast food stores in comp with Hungry Jacks etc.
I am expecting those to give a ‘better return eventually.



(Hope you followed the last of this post. Just bits from the other evening.)