Hi all
It seems that we have a disciple of PALE on board. TarynW, I think you will find that this thread was started by Penny, not PALE, and I have not been able to find any other threads that Penny has started or disrupted. It seems to me that PALE is far more guilty of repeating itself than are the rest of us, Yabby included. It also appears that PALE at least has an interest in, if it does not work for, this Halal Kind Meats, and whether that constritutes working "only for the animals" is therefore debatable.

If Animals Australia believes that it has grounds to sue that apology for a human being McGauran, that is its right, and if its members have an issue with that they will articulate it. I might add that PALE seems to expend much time, if not funds, at least threatening to sue anyone who disagrees with it. I repeat, Animals Australia could arguably be described as a "moderate" organization, and it has acted in an advisory capacity for the government on many issues.

It has yet to be disclosed what the problem is between AA and PALE. With regard to this AWB alleged link to live exports - what does it matter? What does it prove? Does it pave the way for any legal challenge (or any challenge at all)? If not, what is the point of pursuing it?

I am confident that information from the AMIEU is both accurate and current.

Now Yabby, I really do take on board what you said about long haul journeys between the East and West. I understood that Dr Jennifer Hood in WA was looking into it last year, but I haven't had any recent information about that. Hobby farmers such as you describe must often be the despair of farmers who know what they're doing; I know of several small flocks of sheep not far away from me, where the people are "absentee", and think that you can put sheep in a paddock, and they will just survive on their own (without water).

Nicky. re:AWB,
Through dogged persistence pale discovered that the AWB had bought Landmark from Wesfarmers. The trail was elusive and cunningly hidden behind the front page of Newspapers

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050668560.html?from=storyrhs

The ABC was equally ambiguous: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2003/09/01/936621.htm

Pale broke the News right here on OLO approx 18mths or so ago. The secracy came as a bit of a surprise to me, because our local Landmark had put up big signs shortly after the purchase "Landmark an AWB company", and on the letter heads. Just between you and me, AWB had mentioned the deal in its Annual reports too.

Step 2 in pale's dicovery was that because Landmark is involved in the live export industry, then "obviously" money from live exports was propping up Saddam Hussein from AWB's oil for food fiasco. Apparently several letters were written to various political leaders informing them of the conspiracy and it's relevence to the Cole enquiry.

Unfortunately for pale, the last of AWB's contentious contracts predated the landmark deal by many months, and then the Iraq war began in March 2003. Bit hard to get your hands on Landmarks profits until you actually own it.

Anyway here is a rundown of the enquiry by the smh:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/deceit-by-the-truckload/2006/04/14/1144521506851.html

Rojo
Actually your wrong because that is when i was first involved with pale working in the office.
Lyn did not know wesfarmers were involved and thanked us. Wesfarmers then got cold feet as we made further enquires into the company and sold to AWB who were another interest altogether.

In 2004 around April both Downer and Vaile were contacted.
From there I am not saying because i was asked not to disclose anything that may be relied on later.

I was also in the office when pale President contacted Rudd Bartlett AA and Mark Peason regarding the fact this had not been made an issue out of at the AWB enquiry.

I remember very well the converstaion because I personally offered to travell to Sydney to organise a protest.

Now as for AA or Mark Pearson again I was the person who was told to send papers to him as proof as he said he could not believe it.

I did that and we waited to see if they wanted to join us outside the AWB enquiry but no they did nothing and said nothing like Rudd.
It was a missed oportunity for the Animals.

Nicky dont bother to adress me anymore. You ask what it all means.

It m,eans to me you havent got a clue what your doing thats what.
The poor Animals.
If you can not see this connection between AWB and the fact the public were not informed right in the middle of the AWB enquiry that the money that went to Saddam wasnt just wheat but live export money then I suggest despite your good intentions you may as well forget animal welfare.

I think it is safe enough for me to say I will not repond to you Suzzane anymore. Yes I also know who you are. and that your using both names.At least you learned something! I remember your rude manner from 2003 and you have not changed which is really sad both for you and the animals.

I will use my last post to say this to you. Posting your links only makes it more discusting that nobody caught on until pale who you all like to rubbish contacted everyone.
Ask yourself this Why was Rudd So quite. Why was Andrew Bartlett so quite about it. Come on he has media outlets and in facts posts on olo so he could have opended a thread and disclosed it at anytime.
The links you put up about landmark and companies are not something that Mr and Mrs average working housewife couples read on a daily basis.
That means nothing to the average public and you know it.
The main aim of you people is to stop pale and discredit pale. The reason is as we were warned out of shear ego and spite.

I have been a member of pale now since 2003 and i was first warned by RSPCA the type of nasty people that would try to stop our work.
You people are well known for your trouble making and nasty spiteful nature.
I have seen letters written to pale from people claiming their was no way they could be involved in helping to open abatoirs. Well this is Australia and people eat meat.
Personally! I hope pale are asked to attend this court case by the X Minister of agriculture.
I really think its time for some people to be pulled into line.
When you go after good people spending their own money to help animals you really get me off side.
Oh I have worked in many abattoirs by the way so i think I am slightly more qualified than most of you except maybe Yabby!
Goodnight and goodbye.
Now I am going to open another thread.
Please do not bother posting us you will get no reply from me. I am not as patient as the others!

Taryn

Please call office your mobile is not in service [it says]
BTW=presi- Your Coming With us- Merry Christmas!

To penny Nicky=

Whom I agree are same.

The title of this thread was Did Kevin Rudd Lie.

Having received from Kerry O’Brien’s advisor several phone calls which were quite unexpected pale had an interest in this thread.

That is despite it was rude of you to purposely leave both the other threads pale had already going which were working towards actually doing something.

You’re free to do as you wish but it does go so far to suggest your personality if not manners.

1 I note you have not signed the petition that we agreed pale would do in relation to that.

2 I note you have not even acknowledged it.

3 I note most of you have consistently denied in several threads that you work with Animals Australia.

I am pleased about that given pale supports Lyn White one hundred percent and your efforts how ever well intended do little for AA.

4 I am more than happy for Animals Australia to have any information we have and we often forward things of interest to them.


RSPCA and pale had similar issues with a lady with IMOP had mental health issues several years ago.

We have no interests to go there again.



Pale joined OLO full members to inform the public about RSPCA QLD PALES work with Muslim leaders Aboriginal Councils in joint efforts to find alternatives to live animal’s exports.

We are quite sincere in our efforts to improve Animal Welfare.

I refer to the above 1 to 4 at the top of this post and note your lack of interest and I might add our waste of time.

pale will not be responding to further comments from you and I will contact AA myself personally to set aside any concerns we may hold inferring you are representing their views.

Lyn White enjoys the full support of pale and that position will not change.

Pale wishes you well in your efforts to improve the life of many Animals.

Hi all
This paranoia has become so extreme that I think Penny will be sorry she ever started this thread. Some of your references to people who must have dared to disagres with you in the past (who they are is a complete mystery, and who cares, really) are clear manifestations of paranoia in the extreme. It's a pity really, because your intentions possibly are good. I have stated repeatedly that I am not a member of an animal welfare organization. I have also stated that the wording of your petition, and electronic petitions generally, are usually not accepted by Parliament, anyway. But PALE knows it all, of course, so go "knock yourselves out", as they say. PALE's opinion of me is a matter of supreme indifference.

Enquiries that I have made to a number of well-informed people, some of whom you name, have convinced me that PALE has no credibility with anyone, much less anyone who really is making a difference. Enquiries about what progress PALE has made in its years of operation have elicted no response from you, so I am left to asume that it is little more than hot air.

Penny, please accept my apologies for your well-intentioned thread being corrupted by the fact that PALE hates anyone who questions its extravagant claims (which it is unable to support with any substance). With regard to AWB, public indifference to the Cole enquiry was evident, so while the Australian community may deplore live exports, I think it has little interest in any relationship with AWB and live exports. That is just more hot air and blustering self-importance from PALE.

I hope that the mess PALE has made of a thread that was really starting to get somewhere has not discouraged you from contributing to OnLine Opinion. Perhaps those who have no interest in PALE's venomous, jealous and vindictive (and less than literate) rhetoric should just leave any threads once PALE (and its faithful disciple) starts posting there.

All the best
Nicky