Gertrude, you ask what I really think. I've told you before,
if anyone wants to meet farmers, then go to your nearest saleyard
on sale day and talk to them. They are there by the dozens, hundreds,
buying and selling livestock. Is that so difficult?

As to Austrade, MLA, they each have distinct roles to play,
dealing with exporters, processors, and buyers etc. They would
get 50 calls a day from so called dreamers, ie people with ideas
who want their attention, but land up long term doing little but
wasting their time. They have probably fobbed you off as
dreamers, so will as politely as possible try not to waste alot
of time on you.

You believe in these joint partnerships, but I doubt if anyone
else does. They will tell you that you are wasting your time.

Live exports exist, because they make economic sense. Militant
unions plus a seasonal kill due to weather, shut down Northern
meatworks. Aussies want 12 months work, not seasonal work. So
the Indonesian trade is a win-win.

The whole Western meat industry has a labour crisis, not just
Australia. In the US they use Mexicans, in Canada seasonal workers,
in Europe East Europeans. When people get richer, they get fussy
where they work and don't want the so called crappy jobs.
In West Australia its particularly bad, due to the mining boom.
I've said for a long time, that they need to get serious about
automation. They had a large conference on just that last week,
so we'll see where it leads.

You are wasting your time on AWB. Landmark is just one division of
AWB and commissions on live exports are just one very small income
stream of Landmark, so its all insignficant. The rest is your
conspiracy theories, IMHO.

Gert
Thanks for taking the time to give me an honest reply.

Why is it so difficult you ask?

Ok Yabby now your not totally stupid so picture this.

People from ME and wherever walking round a sale yard looking to just by chance! meet farmers interested in joint ventures.

Right in front of Elders agents and others.

How unprofeshional and how much time do you think farmers would give them.

Anyway why should they have to do that when we have several Government bodies more than happy to promote The Live Animal Trade?

Why is it so one sided Yabby.?

Surley you are not so gulable to beleive there are no Muslim people in ME who wouldnt like to mussle in on the meat trade?

Do you really think the abattoir owners in ME who import live Animals have such respect and conrol over the meat industry others are not interested in the business?

Yeh Sure- We all notice how well everybody gets on over there.

The only reason the co joint ventures are not rushing off the shelves is the system protects the live trade.

MLA control it in ME.
A 'few' sell chilled meat with the aproval of MLA and Austrade - but nobody- and I do mean nobody will allow anybody to contact the same buyers and offer co joint ventures.

They said straight up NO Because its in compertition to live exports??

Its protected if you like from charming snake dealers such as me.



You should know that any serious investor entering Australia or any other country for that matter looks to that countries Government to know they have their support.

That support is not forth coming from the Australian Government MLA Austrade Farmers Federations.

Without that it makes the tougest business men very nervous indeed.

They are not stupid Yabby. They understand very well political connections donations votes and the old buddy stytem.

After all they invented it.
AWB are not small fry in Live Exports.
Goodnight Wendy
per Taryn

Yabby
The Government MLA Austrade System made easy in six steps.
' THE PLAN"
In the begining was the plan.
And then came the Assumptoins.
And the Assumptions were without form.
And the plan was completely without substance, and
the darkness was upon the face of the workers and they
spoke amoungst themselves, saying, Its a crock of SH and it stinks".
And the workers went unto their supervisors and said
It~ a pail of dung and none can abide its odour".
And the surpervisors went unto their managers and said to them,
It`s a cntainer of excrement and it is very strong, such that
none may abide it"
And the managers went unto their directors and said,
It is a vessel of fertiliser and none may abide its strenghth'
And The Directors spoke amungst themselves saying to
one another,' It contans that which aids plant growth
and it is very strong".
And the directors went unto the vice - presidents and
said unto them, It promotes growth and is very powerful"
And the vice presidents went unto the President and
said unto him, ' This new plan will actively promote the
growth and efficeincy of this Company and will be most
effective".
And The President looked upon the Plan and saw that it was good.
And the PLAN became POLICY.
And my friend thats how SH Happens in the Meat Industry!

Ah TarynW

That's some masterpiece. You've excelled yourself.

I like the way you alluded to the "vice" presidents.

With the emphasis of course, on the vice in this industry!

Definition of vice: An evil, degrading, or immoral practice or habit!

Spot on girlfriend!

Gertrude, you clearly have not been to many saleyards! Country
people, unlike city people, are usually quite friendly and
will talk to anyone about anything to do with the meat and
livestock industries. Who gives a crap about agents?

Of course MLA, Austrade etc, are not going to give you buyers
addresses, unless they think that both you as an organisation
and your ideas are credible. For that would imply to the
buyers, that they think you are credible. Now if you were
Roger Fletcher, they would tell you anyting that you wanted
to know. Thats their business, to sort the wheat from the
chaff.

The trade in the ME is an another whole story. You won't do
much in SA without the agreement of the Saud princes, thats
how their system works. Thats exactly what the Cormo story
was about, not disease as claimed. In SA, you play the game
by their rules, or you don't play at all. Our organisations
would be aware of that.

I think you are peeing up a tree with your joint ventures
concept, but you are free to advertise in farming papers
and see what response you get from tens of thousands of farmers.

You are free to jump to your conspiracy theory conclusions
but I think that you are wrong

Dickie-
http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=47389

Gerti dear

The offer carried blessings of Prince through Amjad - personal friend of Prince - even closer friend of Rodgers.

Was made known to Governments.!
Why do you think JAKIM have been here four times in the last eighteen months?
AQIS make it impossible PUSHING Live Trade!

Beattie was interested but his RH was a live cattle exporter.

Rodgers been around a long time and plays the game too!

I admire Rodger but hes harldy going to help any opposition now is he?


He`d be checked "very quickly" if he played "outside the PLAN"

Its "controlled" Yabby as to "how much" red meat verses live goes "where"

To get a export licence AQIS have to approve your Halal accreditation?
Think about it Yabby .
Ever tried getting a export licence 'for Halal' Meat through AQIS Yabby.?

Its REAL Interesting how AQIS operate over the phone with overseas. Its actually a risk to national sercurity.

Its controlled by "the industry that are in bed with the Government".

Of course I have been to sale yards and its NOT the place for this.
The farmers would chase the Muslims out of town and you well know it.

What I want is representation at the trade faires world wide just "like everybody else."- AND for Animal Welfare Groups to get involved- which isnt going to happen - RSPCA National were invited to JOIN this movement? By Muslim Leaders everywhere?

You have to remember Austrade and MLA are 'supposed' to not favour any particular business owners and only be there to support ALL.

I didnt ask them to give us the names of the Live Importers Yabby.
That wouldnt be neccessary but now that you mention it they have no right to keep it a secret from the public who pay tax to support the live trade.


Its protect the cruel live trade and DONT help anybody kicking off ANYTHING in opposition to it.
Thats the truth Yabby the darkness was upon the face of the workers and they spoke amoungst themselves, saying, Its a crock of SH and it stinks".