Sorry Pale for being off track. Attempting to do 10 things at once here, hence my lack of concentration.

The Rudd/Obrien matter certainly needs addressing pronto!

Perhaps a "conflict of interest" may be perceived by involving the free range industry for pigs in our quest to halt the intensive farming of these animals?

However, one thing at a time eh?

What does PF now suggest?

In the very first post in this thread 3 days before the election I predicted the outcome.

Yes the thread was about something else, not intensive farming, not live animal exports, not insults hurled at one and other.
I have another prediction to make.
One day soon the forum owner will remind us all of forum rules about diverting threads.
One day soon even some who never obey those rules will have to understand rules are rules.
Yes it is apparent some are not in control of their thoughts and actions, some seem blind to rules of debate and good manners.
And it is also true the forum needs all who use it to support its rules respect its giving us a platform to be heard and seen.
Sometimes, no I am not a woman hater, it seems some females take advantage of the fact we men open doors and have good manners to act in total rudeness.
This in truth looks to be such a case, or maybe it is just lack of ability to understand rules are for every sex.
The forum needs us to remember we are all guests, we should share it not invade it all are welcome in a thread I started but what turn will the subject take next?
We in another post see a requirement for inside knowledge of what the lodge served for Christmas dinner it is quite obvious some know how to start a thread why steal one?

Belly
Funny As.
Can think of a few doors I would like to open for you pal but I might leave that one to PF and Dickie.

They might arrange to lock you behind the doors of a intensive piggery farm you self serving attention seeking moron.

*Put you in a cage.*

The only thing you can be assured of is your company will be of far higher intellergence than that of yourself.

Perhaps you might learn `if you listen` that these discussions are certainly NOT off post.

Its just the same as when you complained to GY that pale should not be posting on the Rudd China and trade thread.

You demanded to know what Live Exports had to do with China and Rudd-
How embarresing for ALP

I rest my case.

Blimey I only know AMIEU union leaders who are informed and very bright.

What on earth are YOU supposed to be in charge of?

The nut crackers union or something. Your doing unions more harm than good bely.

If you cant hold a debate raising issues of interest to you- Which from what I have seen so far is `yourself` do not attack others for discussing whats important to them.

Yes - Of course we already know your lack of interest on the subject of intensive pig farming.


You know I dont like to say anything that upsets people but belly your really a concern to us.

How many more union boses like you are there in the ALP.?

For that matter how many are there in all- Does anybody know?

If "you even know "that is?

For God sake what type of people do we have barging in on busy business owners trying to provide jobs for Australians economy.?

Surley there should be some sort of required standard and IQ for these union bosses.?

What type of ongoing training and briefs [if any] do they get?

A waiste of a whole post I am sure.

Kevin Rudd and the ALP lied to the Australian public on ABC TV.

Thats whats on `Saturday` Morning at the lodge.

I am aware of this post it is childlike and spiteful, it contains lies
The simple fact is no such request to delete or change a post in the China thread was ever made.
Again and again this group uses threats lies and intimidation to put its case.
I once asked the forum to consider the rude nature of the group posting as pale.
A few more than me have done so.
This post is offensive and brings our forum down.
I will not report it nore will I start another pale car park.
Remember what I say to every new union member
quote if I ever let you down remind me I am worthless end quote.
If ever I lie knowingly to prove a point then indeed I am worthless I have told the truth pale has yet again lied in this thread.
Most will say it is not worth the effort but truth is worth defending always.
One day pale must stop the lies , stop the slander, stop thread invasions, if not the forum will suffer and all who post here.
Watch and count pale, the contributors to your threads who are not from your group, some understanding of good manners is called for.
Many think pale has no understanding of issues , is not always responsible for what they say, maybe that is true.
The crawling to people and groups they try to use concerns me, the near sainthood they have given the left wing, very left wing meat workers union is a huge laugh from union haters.
Why would that union not want to kill all animals in this country, even if the meat can not be sold for the profit live can?
The group is not worth the trouble debating with but the forum is.
Standards must be kept.

Belly Said

Standards must be kept

pale replies.
standards Belly-
You dare speak of standards?!

The following are your words on Animal Cruelty!>

A huge grin this thread!

Are we to believe the nations future depends of free range eggs and such?
My turkey, well it was chooks in fact like most came via mass production as did the hams.

Now I am concerned about the beer! was the grain used treated fairly?
Tasted ok but you never know!
make a good course laughable.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 27 December 2007 4:48:13 AM


Your lack of humanity and concern is a matter of record= Along with your stupidity as you continue to shoot yourself in the foot by rubbishing the informed statements of your 'own' unions whom we work with.

Now as you clearly have zero interest in Animal Welfare perhaps you could go look yourself in the mirrow some more.

Its Sunday at the Lodge tomorrow and some of us are busy.

Oh Your other stupid question>
"Why would that union not want to kill all animals in this country, even if the meat can not be sold for the profit live can?"

Answer. AS PF advised why dont you do a little research honey. You will find its common for Animal Welfare groups and AMIEU to work together and protest against the cruelty of the live Animal Trade Side by side.
Why not start with this one-.

Workers Online Print EditionTransport Workers Union state secretary Tony Sheldon is backing the motion, .... Meat Industry Employees Union (AMIEU) Federal secretary Tom Hannan. ...
workers.labor.net.au/197/print_index.html - 82k - Cached - Similar pages

Then Look Here and See if you know anybody. http://www.halakindmeats.com/

Of Course AMIEU are involved in killing Animals.

They just want the jobs for Australians and the Animals killed under some codes of practise.
Thats what we all want.
A bit of Common Decency.


I repeat your lack of concern towards animal welfare is a matter of record

Please NEVER refer to me as honey, love ,darling, or any such thing, we are not friends never will be.
How hard is it to understand free range is a minor part of this nations food intake?
How hard to scroll back up the thread and re read TarynWs post? the one I highlight again and again?
Then re read yours ,the one that got it wrong?
Or was it a lie, a known lie?
So little regard for truth.
For facts.
Honest opinion is absent.
On the single action of refusing to address a lie, refusal to say we got it wrong I find your group a fantasy group.
No regard for anything other than slander and heated insults lies and lost in a world of fantasy.
Tell us pale why not confront and explain the TarynW post? that Aboriginals raped their children pre white man?
Why not confront the post that said she never did?
If you do not nothing you say can EVER BE BELIEVED!
Rainer, one of those names is a proud one in my area, I have known a family for a very long time properly not related but murri with that name.
My nephew [I rared him] is wed to a member they have 3 kids And no man black or white doubts that name is a good one.
I do not wish to name drop or let others who do drop names have information but while the thread is dead we did try.
Worth noting good people are hoping Rudd has the answers lets us start a thread one day again and hope it is allowed to breath free of single issue groups with little interest in it.