Yabby
Like to add comment regarding pollution and the Government.

First I will cover my back and explain that I am asking Taryn to include my comments in her post.

Thats just so certain people like Robert dont try to get me banned again for breaking forum rules.

Your wrong on three counts-

The first is the Governments , which includes state Government DO get involved in the Live Exports and meat trade!

Mark Vaile and others "personally" through AWB and others Sold ship loads of sheep to Kwaite direct from the Australian Government To the Kwaite Government.

So much was the Governments infearance in the industry a staff member at MLA told me they could "not assist" us with our red meat sale "because" Live Exports to Kwaite was Mark Vailes baby.!

I received a call from the MLA staff member saying he had just had a call from Minister Vailes office and Austrade and MLA would not be assisting us because it was opposition for Live Exports!

You say the Government doesnt get invlved- BS
Howard signed a MOU two years ago himself with Brunie so dont talk crap!

Our Government using OUR tax money have paid out millions in the past to silence smaller countries after dumping thousands of animals in the water which caused tyfoid and other diseases.

People died Yabby and thousands were sick.
That was in PN So Dickies right again.

The other thing is Dickie isnt paid however pale would like to donate to this sensible decent member of the public to help with costs. If she will please contact us. All over the world Yabby there are thousands of people working to stop such totally unnessary cruelty.
Mind You If I had my way I would get a bit more serious.

Personally I am all for an eye for an eye and wouldnt mind taking live exporters on a cruise out in the deep blue ocean.

Sharks Ah- But that would be a much kinder way to go than how these low lifes treat animals.

www.livexports.com
President pale
Wendy Lewthwaite

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Also it is a fact that Farmers Federation have blocked our efforts as best they could in every way they could to establish more abattoirs in Australia to open.

I know for a fact working with Muslims not only in Australia but overseas many people have contacted the different farmers federation in WA and other states asking to be put in contact with farmers with a view to fund reopening of plants.

Farmer federation along with MLA, Livecourpe, Austrade and all departments working under the Governments hand are totally and utterly controled by the Government.

Ian Ross who heads MLA in the middle East has contacted me personally from there by phone and we have exchanged emails.

The result= They wont assist to promote the co joint ventures.

Why because its in opposition to the cruel live trade.

Butchers I know have contacted MLA to do like wise and expand their operations.- Got NO help.

Its controlled Yabby.

Contolled by a weak Government with a even weaker oppostion because Mark Vaile and Downer were too stupid to keep our factories going here and export vaule added products.

After all if you had taken the cruel live trade off Vaile and Downer what ELSE could they boast about exporting! except coal?

What miserable failures and low lifes to do this to Animals to stay in a job. Evil People.

So worried about their party donations BOTH Sides of Government sold out to these low lifes.

Shame on ALP and The Howard Government for being mis lead by the Nationals.
Wendy Lewthwaite Per Taryn People Against Live Exports- Australias and the Worlds greatest shame.
Sue if you wish Mark
See you at the AWB!

Dickie, I don't think that you have the foggiest, as to how the
oceans food chains work. Phytoplankton, which involves thousands
of species including algae, are primary producers of oxygen
in the world's oceans. They also form the basis of the
aquatic food chain. They need nutrients to grow. Go inform yourself.

Like anything, too much of one thing can cause a problem. Dead
zones happen when tens-hundreds of millions of people channel
masses of nutrients into limited spots of discharge in the
ocean, like the Gulf of Mexico. Of course you are going to
get a problem! Fact is without phytoplankton in the world's
oceans, there would be no fish in the sea and no Dickies on
land either.

The fact that a few European veggie groups have copied innacurate
information from Aussie veggie sites and claim this as part
of their tin rattling campaign, is meant to impress me? Ha!

If Europeans cared a zilch, they could open up their mutton
and lamb markets to Australian products. We could send lamb there,
rather then the Middle East. But they won't, so they clearly
don't care. Do not confuse Europeans with some European
extremists.

"Like anything, too much of one thing can cause a problem. Dead
zones happen when tens-hundreds of millions of people channel
masses of nutrients into limited spots of discharge in the
ocean, like the Gulf of Mexico." (Yabby)

Yabby, take your hand off it. You desperately require an education on what your fouling is doing to OUR eco systems. Note I stressed "ours" for they do not belong to you exclusively as you and your partners in crime so arrogantly believe.

Furthermore, no thanks to the likes of you, there are now some 200 dead zones. The Gulf of Mexico, the largest, is just one of them.

"According to a 2004 United Nations Environment Program report, the number of areas hit by hypoxia worldwide has doubled since 1990. Dead zones can be found along the east coast of the United States, in the seas of Europe, as well as Australia, Brazil, Japan and many more."

Pollution-fed algae, which deprives other living marine life of oxygen, is the cause of most of the world's dead zones that cover tens of thousands of square miles of waterways. Scientists chiefly blame fertilizer and other farm run-off, sewage and fossil-fuel burning.

"The fact that a few European veggie groups have copied innacurate
information from Aussie veggie sites and claim this as part
of their tin rattling campaign, is meant to impress me? Ha!"

Veggie sites? Ha ha! Still fiddling and twiddling I see.

http://lawyersforanimals.org.au/2006/10/01/comments-on-version-2-of-the-australian-standards-for-the-export-of-livestock/

http://www.rspcatas.org.au/asp/content.asp?articleID=513

http://www.ciwf.org/campaigns/primary_campaigns/australian_live.html

Dickie, its high time you educated yourself a little about nature.

You are correct, along various coastlines, with hundreds of millions of people
discharging various chemicals and nutrients into the sea, rivers, lakes etc,
algal blooms can happen. Even treated sewage water contains dissolved
nutrients. Note how algal blooms occur along coastlines!

The only “dead zone in the Indian Ocean in comparison, was caused by
a massive tsunami, not algae. Now go out into the ocean for once and
note the huge waves, all oxygenating the water. Notice any algal blooms
out there? Ah I thought not.

I remind you that billions of fish crap into the world ocean ever day, they
also die there, rot and decompose. Everything is recycled, as its not concentrated,
its not a problem. In fact phytoplankton are vital to the worlds oceans and for
them to grow, they need nutrients. Concentrated nutrients released by humans
along the worlds coastlines, are a whole different problem. But I think that all
this is beyond you, you prefer to focus on your obsession of the live trade.

It doesn’t matter how many veggie websites you highlight, if the information
which they contain is incorrect, it’s a bit like the religious quoting their
holy books. Just because some website claims something, does not make it so.

All these arguments have been done to death, but of course the veggie mantra
is repeated over and over. Some questions:

If there are all these jobs that have been lost, why don’t these people apply
for the jobs being offered by meatworks now?

If so much money is being lost by exporting live, why don’t local processors
buy the livestock and slaughter them here?

If there are all these markets out there, why don’t processors supply them now?

If you disapprove of floating feedlots, are you going to call for the banning of
all feedlots?

If you really care about animals, why do you not assist in improving the welfare
of Middle Eastern animals too?

If cutting a sheep’s throat is what you are on about, its not illegal in Australia.

Well we have haven't we? got a long way from the threads intent.
I am not complaining I need no aid to remember that morning, floating in it still but lets look at the new direction.
Yes some cruelty exists in live sheep exports, no defense, and live animal exports can be cruel.
The first mass exports of sheep was dreadful.
But it saved Australian farmers, at a time no other easily gained market existed.
I am bush bred love poking fun at squatter types I grew up around they always have small hats if they have big money big hats if they pretend.
Name their sons Angus and Brangus daughters same names as the house cow!
I in their mind would be a red from under the bed or worse, but.
Australia needs our farmers ,no country in the world can both be as rewarding for them or destroy them.
We once rode on the sheep's back make no mistake without them we may not have survived to become a big mining hole in the ground.
Up the thread Dickie you say if you do not look after your animals you do not look after your kids?
Tell me you do not believe that please.
My lifetime dream will not come true, not enough years left, but it was to settle on my front veranda bull nosed roof watching a few well bred cattle on my small bush farm.
The problem is cruelly is all our business we must stop it and yes I will get flogged with that unions name and the lost killing and packing jobs but no market exists for all our livestock that way.
And I know a few Angus's and Branguses who still get the farm hand to pick the beast to kill and kill it so they do not have to.