Dickie
Look at this>
Something tells me the wording red meat Industry which is normally directed at chilled meat will be live exports.
http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=47442

Speaking of porkies heres a good one-

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=47443

Last one Picture of Tony Burke for is visiting poultry , feed lots etc today tomorrow.
http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=47445

Now Yabby
You say not everyone can sell meat. We have a company Halal Kind Meats and we have worked with THE Muslim Leaders of Australia who do accreditations for Halal.

I reckon that makes us more qualified than you.

Interesting you say why should Austrade and MLA include you?

Umm Thanks Yabbs that was my whole point.

Why do you think Austrade and MLA have the right to CONTROL who gets to promote their products , marketing ideas and who doesnt.?

That would be infearing with our company Yabby. That is what we are claiming has gone on.

No Yabby You dont go trudging through the sale yards with Mufti in toe in the bush talking about setting up co joint ventures. Very funny.
That reminds me of a story I heard back from a AMIEU head up here in QLD about four years ago.
Old Brett was in a bar of a little country pub when he said to some local farmers- Why dont you help me start these co joint ventures with the Muslims boys.
I cant repeat the language but comments such as pissing off the Muslims out of the country and that they had best stay in the city was flowing thick and fast before he found himself drinking alone.

Then he looked up to see a couple of good looking ladies walk through the door and towards him so his spirits lifted.
They said to him-
"Why dont you leave the poor animals alone you cruel bastard."

He was wearing his AMIEU shirt.

Very Funny. Not a good day for our lad.

No Yabby we wont be selling in pubs or sale yards.
WE will be given the SAME oportunity as the live exporters through MLA and Austrade OR we call an enquiry.

*They are there in inform them of ALL offers .*

Gertrude, I think its completely lost on you, how these
organisations function or what their role is. Anyone
who works for these organisations is paid to pass good
judgement. Every day, dreamers will stream through the
door with all sorts of crazy ideas. They will filter
all this and pass on what they think is suitable,
othewise members would be overwhelmed with hairbrain
schemes of all sorts.

Now you are free to kid yourself what their role should
be, but thats it. Thats your problem, not their problem.

If anyone is serious about opening a meat processing plant,
most State Govts have Depts of Trade Development. But people
need to have serious credentials, not just be more dreamers
from overseas or anywhere else.

Anyone who is serious about exports, which can be a complex
business and is not for dreamers, can establish an export
company without the help of Austrade. In fact, if they are
relying on Austrade to make it happen, IMHO its going to
fail anyhow. It needs alot more then that and its not
for the fainthearted. You have rules of the jungle out
there, but few understand all that. I do, as I did it all
and without Austrade or any other Govt assistance.

Dickie, here is your URL. The testing was done in NZ.

http://www.environment.gov.au/settlements/publications/chemicals/dioxins/report-8/index.html

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Yabby
Who do you think you are talking to?
Dont give me that bull about Austrade and MLA.
Yes its easier to just go ahead and do it without them. I couldnt agree more with you.
However few have the capasity to fly their staff word wide promoting products without some sort of Government support.
That Government support and those grants are used widely by the others.
Why should the public purse ONLY be used to support the live trade?
That IS whats happening and WAS my point.
Its clear you have never dealt on a Govenment to Government level Yabby because let me assure you! overeas DO expect Australia and MLA to support their progects

Gertrude, I am more and more convinced that you don't have the foggiest about how this industry actually works.

Last time I looked, to obtain a meat export licence you need to
be accredited by Ausmeat.

http://www.ausmeat.com.au/cs/training/Form%20ATR914%20NPE%20Course%20Outline%201.6.pdf

That will set you back 1900$, just for the course. Are you even
qualified to sell meat? Have you ever sold any meat overseas?

How MLA spends its money is determined by its 42'000 members, who
are not only levy payers but also taxpayers. If you are a member,
you are free to go to the AGM and promote your views, like anyone
else.

Last time I looked, if you spend over 30K$ on export marketing,
Austrade will refund a portion of that, the first 15k$ is yours
to wear. But you are not even an exporter AFAIK.

Govts to not buy and sell meat, not the Australian Govt anyhow.
They facilitate some things, establish certain protocols, shake
a few hands to make it look official, etc. After the Cormo story,
they had to establish MOUs with some ME countries, so that the
same thing would not happen again.

If there are all these higher paying markets out there which you
claim, why don't they pay higher prices to a farmers coop selling
farmers meat directly?

You wanted my honest opinion and that is that I think you are dreaming.

Yabby
I appreciate your comments even if you think I dont.

Your right and so am I. The answer to the question is yes- we have our own label.

Thats not hard. To be really honest I am tired.

I will leave Dickie to comment on the MOUs making things better.?

Maybe you think I am a bit odd rushing off and doing deals with Muslim leaders etc BUT there is a method in my madness.

From a seed grows a plant.


It wont be pale of any other group that finally changes things either.
It will be inderpendant people like Dickie and yourself working together.

Your in a perfect postion to look at changes even though I know your not interested.

I am just saying that the Dickies, Wendys, Taryns , Antjes of this world need Yabbies because you DO know some basic stuff required.
But You need us Too. We can all contribute.
We are far from stupid.

It doesnt take a soft hearted pussy cat to be involved in this industry. You and I both know that.

Your certainly a safe bet there Yabbs. However-

I believe in `your own way` you have tried to assist by being brutally honest over the last couple of years.

I do get upset when you tear into Dickie Yabby because Dickies not stupid and your both in WA.

Together If you wanted you could change the face of the live trade down there.

I just CANT do it from up here and not alone.

The good thing has been that plenty of Muslims "LOVE" the idea of the disease free Aussie farms and Halal Slaughter plants.

Lets just call it like it is shall we?
The Muslims or Islamic movemment is huge world wide.
They DO want to control Australia AND the world IMOP.
If they are to take control of the meat Industry in Australia then lets help them to make it humane profitable and In Australia`s best interests.
For the sake of the Amimals if not the future generation of this country.
PS Merry Christmass Dickie and Yabbs

Merry Christmas to you too Gertrude.

Dickie deserves what she gets from me. She's rude and
arrogant, she dishes it out, she gets it back. I don't
turn the other cheek lol.

Whilst I might not agree with your suggestions, at least
you, as about the only one in the animal libber movement,
realise that we are not about to dig pits and bury 4 million
sheep or close down tens of thousands of farmers, as some
of them might wish.

I've seen the other side of farming that these people don't
know about. People living in the back of shearing sheds,
to make a go of things. Yup they care about their animals,
far more then many city pet owners. Not all, but most.
Yup, they treat them as livestock and not family pets,
there is a difference that many don't understand. Free range
animals don't want to be mollycoddled, they are quite happy
out there, doing their thing.

Lots is changing, who knows where it will end up. We used to
have a wool industry, prices dropped so low that half the
Australian flock vanished, as traders screwed farmers.

Now we have a prime lamb industry, once again Australians
are outdiscounting one another and NZ, then calling that
marketing. Now I'm seeing whole huge flocks of sheep sold
off, as people switch to cropping. Perhaps in a couple of
years it will turn to biofuels stage 2 in the form of
biomass. We live in a changing and uncertain world right now.

Whatever the outcome, we need all round win-win solutions,
something that much of the animal libber and veggie movement
has overlooked to a large extent.