I did it didn't I?
I mixed the thread with another one! got so of topic and of thread I may have earned life membership of pale!
My request remains please pale set me free!
My only wish is to see and answer to the lie told about Aboriginals raping their children and an answer why the further lie that said it was never said.
then I am free, free to never again post in pale threads or talk to them.
Strange I am aware it may well be time I left the forum, damage is being done to it by this endless confrontation.
And I play a part, so many just let it pass ignore pale my inability to do so is a weakness, or is it?
Is rudeness and maybe lies a tool for discussion?
Is it ok to slander anyone who disagrees?
are different opinions worthwhile?
I will consider my future here but pale must answer my questions about those posts or be condemned by them truth does matter.

Belly, free yourself and just let go.

OLO is quite an artificial environment and ‘rules’ are a bit hit and miss. You have to accept that other people will say whatever they want and you cannot control that.
If you are of a sensitive nature, this is not the place for you. Unfortunately the written word does not convey tone and many of us are guilty of allowing our own baggage to get in the way of how we interpret those words. Some of us are better than others at getting our thoughts across in writing, for some, emotion makes them jump to the keyboard and the words dont come out quite right, and others, hold back for fear of ridicule. Any of the above can lead to misconceptions.

You are pissed with pale, I get that, but its not worth the angst you are putting yourself through. Just more words, all lost in interpretation and feelings hurt by people we don’t really know and don’t bother to get to know. What does it matter?

Belly

Taryn is on holidays. I am sure she will respond on the appropiate thread.
For the record Taryn has done some amazing work with assisting Aboriginal People as well as Animal Welfare.

In fact she is a proud part aboriginal.

However - pale are not responsible for 'personal posts'.

It was yourself and Robert who "insisted" Taryn post under her own name.



Oh and Belly, pale pisses everybody off. Just ask the AWB. So your not alone ok.

That ought to make you feel a whole lot better in this friendly season.

You have made your thoughts on intensive pig farming and poultry very clear. So unless you have actually reconsidered I cant see the point of your posting .
I have read enough of your posts belly to know this much about you.

Your very sensitive and respond often without thinking. As we all do at times.

"If?" you clicked onto some of the information PF and others have supplied regarding the treatment of these poor Animals I believe you "would care."
I think you would be just as "shocked" and "outraged" as the rest of us.

You have shown compassion to dogs that while mistreated have a much better life than intensive pigs and poultry.

Somebody in the ALP has got to kick things off. PF needs all the help she can get and so do these poor creatures.
Think about whats going to happen to the free Range Farmers if we dont sort this labbeling out.

You said you stood for a fair go "for all".

You dont have to talk to pale. Talk To Dickie Nicky and PF.


PF - Getting back to the issue at hand

Would you have enough farmers and others to appear on "Insight" to debate the labelling issue surrounding free Range Farming?

We could invite the ACCC as well.

We are making enquires to get this isue on local Gold Coast TV.
Would you or anybody you know be prepaired to do the add as a Free Range Farmer.?

Dickie is there a local TV outlet there?

There sure is Pale.

Dickie

If you have time please enquire re costs. Also letter box.

Local TV adds here and news. Plenty of distrubtion compaines.

Whatever PF thinks best put together.

Will wait her comments.

Shall I just go ahead with the petition re Election promises?

Do you want to add to that rough draft for the Live Exports broken election promises petition?

We can do that officially however 'not' the intensive pig advertsing one.

We can only offer what we already have.
We cant be seen to be driving it.
Anybody understanding Animal Welfare politics will understand why.

Anyway its PF area. Best left in her control with perhaps your assistance and Nickys, AA, AL etc.



Now Gert Yabbs- Where are you.?

Sorry didnt reply earlier

Yabby said
We live in a changing and uncertain world right now.

Whatever the outcome, we need all round win-win solutions,
something that much of the animal libber and veggie movement
has overlooked to a large extent.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 17 December 2007 8:10:49 PM

pale replies.

Well Yabby people dont normally stray outside their own areas.

We are probably the only black sheep.

Their job is to highlight cruelty to put pressure on the Government to change.

South Australia highlighted the piggery partly owned by Amada Vanestone for eg.

Yes All Round Win Wins is what is required.

Under the circumstances I feel slaughtering here in Halal and sending whole carcuss to Malyasia for JAKIM accreditation is best given our labour shortage.

There is also huge interest in Halal veggie farms and the farmers need those contacts to export.

Unless they are to continue to be ripped by the midleman.

You and I both know the real answer lies within the Industry and what goes on with farmers, market trade.

Yabby- You tell me whats wrong with inviting the farmers to invite ME and Malaysian buyers to visit their farms?

If thats what the buyers have requested why wont farmers Federations spread the request?

Or Austrade or MLA.Come on Yabby be fair.
I know why but do you?

It stinks!!

Last post on the subject yes the very last one.
If you want to see me head down scratching in the dirt with one foot do not wait.
Is it not clear a VERY LARGE number who post here are peed off with pale?
The thread is insulted! it now is a personal message board!
And wait for it Taryn is on holidays?
And pale is not responsible for personal postings?
Who posts as pale today?
Has Taryn ever?
How hard is it to scroll up the thread find pales rebuttal of the claim Taryn was wrong?
Why not debate that post?
As I am not going any place let me say this.
I fear for our forum!
Threads have become personal message boards.
Those of us who disagree, who understand farmers must market the best way they can, but understand needless cruelty is wrong are targeted.
PALE after all is but one view one minority view in posts over the last few years they claim the lunatic fringe group ground.
It is clear some of us would like to debate all sides of the issue but to start such a thread would bring it to an end, after all if a thread about the impacts of the federal election can be raped this way what will change?
Notice Lady's please count how many from other than your side contribute to your threads.
Ask how many you have verbally thrashed in this forum over the last few years?
mean spirited and marginal out of touch and yes refusing to say I was wrong that is what pale looks like to me.
No arm over my should in three months please lets us agree we have no regard for one another and leave it at that.
If David is CEO he is not doing much of a sales job.