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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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Hey mhaze,
"That might be a truncated Ukraine with the eastern provinces ceded to the Russians or it might be a restored Ukraine including Crimea."

- Not might be, will be.
(And the more the West kicks and screams the more Russia will take.
'Restore Crimea', not going to happen.

>>While on the actual fighting, Armchair asserts that 'Ukraine is being annihilated.'
Not just me saying it.
Col. Macgregor: Ukraine is being ANNIHILATED (Exclusive Interview)
http://youtu.be/ZtXpKYJ3tI8

Does he look Russian to you mhaze, he was a tank commander in Iraq.
You can all say I'm a shill for Russian propaganda or whatever, but what the morons don't realise is I get my info just as much from Western sources, just not the ones you dingbats listen to.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 14 July 2023 1:27:02 PM
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To think they won't lie to us is riduculous.
- WMD's in IRAQ, anyone remember COVID?
Feck my gf's cousin is in the morgue right now, died of blood clot after covid shots, aged 49
Autopsy done yesterday, finger of blame goes to 'diabetes'

YOU DO REALISE THAT PUTIN OFFERED PEACE LAST APRIL AND THE WEST SCUTTLED IT?
All he asked for was acceptance of Crimea, Autonomy for the Luhansk and Donetsk Peoples Republics, and the security assurances of neutrality from being Western aligned (NATO)?
- No one had to effing die after the first month after the invasion.
THE WEST WANTED TO ESCALATE!
THEY PUT AN END TO THE NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE CERTAIN THIS ADVENTURE WOULD LEAD TO PUTINS OUSTING

This has always been about conquest and looting of Russia, it's not even about Ukraine, I seriously don't think you lot comprehend that.

(Empowering the Ukrainian Nazis is no different than empowering the Mujahadeen or any of the other completely messed up situations the US has historically created AS A MATTER OF POLICY BTW)

Building up NATO, profiteering off the military industrial complex, removing Putin, installing a US puppet ruler, subjagating the Russian people with Marxist western liberalism, chopping Russia up into small microstates and looting every resource, industry and aspect of wealth in the 21% landmass of the Russian Federation owned by the Russian people.
(not to mention Ukrainian coup itself and exploitation of such to western financial interests as a added bonus)

I remember talking to you all especially during Covid, I told you all I was unvaxxed and proud of it
- And the amount of crap I got for it.
- Guilt, shamed, abuse -
There was just no talking to any of you reasonably about it because you already believe what you believe.

I'm not sorry for the positions I hold.
I add to the forum in bringing alternative ideas and information.

If you all think I'm the enemy then you're looking in the wrong direction.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 14 July 2023 1:28:09 PM
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This is a failed adventure (fools errand) by US neoconservatives and the complicity of their western vassal states - who wish to exert their global hegemony on a planetary basis, that is rule over everything!

Why the hell do you think they've got the gaul to try and put NATO on China's doorstep?

Until you lot comprehend that, there's no getting through to any of you!

In any case, US weapons as well as military training is rubbish anyway.
Good for goat herders and blowing up weddings and funerals, but not REAL WARS.

In war games, the US loses EVERY TIME against China.
Keep that in mind when supporting confronting China
- And keep in mind the US is out of weapons,
(that's why they want more NATO contributions)
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 14 July 2023 1:37:41 PM
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Remember me telling you this yesterday?
'Troop morale in the toilet'
'They know they are being sent to die'

- Well I'm vindicated.
Maybe you should go and offer your life Foxy, since you seem to expect others to offer theirs for you?

Disappointment on Ukraine front line over NATO meeting
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/disappointment-on-ukraine-front-line-over-nato-meeting/news-story/5b081d171908a1b8f02480c17d51d435
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 14 July 2023 1:40:48 PM
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I wonder if you went to Ukraine and asked the family members of the dead and maimed what they think, I wonder what they would say.

Do you care about lines on a map, or would you rather have your father, your husband, you son returned to you unharmed.

Or do you care more about lines on a map that you would see your father, husband and son left to rot where he fell and eating to the bone by scavanging animals.

Look here's a head still in a helmet and the bones scattered around.
Pretend that's your father, husband or son.

http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1679208983150878721

Would you be willing to commit your father, husband or son to this potential fate, for lines on a map or your hate for Russia and Putin?
There is a foreign legion you know if you all feel so strongly then go there and sign up.

I support an end to this war now.
Negotiated settlement, and new security guarantees.

Maybe you like that stuff?Maybe you liked seeing all those Ukrainians die trying to cross a minefield?

I don't hate Putin, Zelensky or even Biden or Albo that much that I'm willing to see a million dead and maimed just to try to get rid of them.
You and the others here obviously do.

It's time you people woke up.
There's more than enough dead already without asking for more.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 14 July 2023 4:44:31 PM
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Dealing with Putin is like dealing with the Devil AC. That is why there is a war. But better red than dead eh? Or as Mel Brooks once quipped:

Don't be stupit, be a schmarty. Come unt join ze Nazi Pardy!
Posted by Fester, Friday, 14 July 2023 5:32:47 PM
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