Our moronic NZ cousins assaulted Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull and poured tomato sauce over her hair. And that's without Ardern!

Still, who are we to talk about morons when the moronic leader of the moronic Victorian Liberals wants to expel one of his own, Moira Deeming, because moronic VicPol aided a bunch of other morons in black t-shirts and shorts to interfere with a rally for women's rights.

“We’re going to say ‘hello boys’,” said Keen-Minshull, whatever her name is, telling a crowd in Melbourne last Saturday.She was referring to around two dozen men dressed in black. They carried a huge banner with the words “Destroy Paedo Freaks” and threw Nazi salutes at trans supporters protesting her rally. After the rally, Keen-Minshull claimed in a video posted on YouTube that the men who gave Nazi salutes might not have been neo-Nazis. Guardian Australia.

Yawn.

You're right DAVID F provided the words or symbols are not calculated to incite violence. Clearly, too many folk, the overt waving of a swastika flag or its likeness, would be considered both offensive and inciteful. And it has nothing remotely to do with free speech. To engage in such behaviour would take the perpetrator perilous close to being pinched.

Dear davidf,

I too hate Illinois Nazi's and while I have a lot of respect for David Goldberger this is a different country.

The way we do universal healthcare is a case in point. We understand what it takes to try and bring everybody along, and even if we have become a lot less effective at it recognise the benefit of social coherence.

I think we balance these things better than the US where threads can quite easily be drawn from toxic individualism to mass shootings in schools.

Absolute free speech and respect of social coherence will always be fraught and likely unattainable.

That is not to say our defamation laws need desperate reform. They do. And I get that banning Nazi salutes runs is a risk of driving fascists underground to an extent.

But there are few things as symbolic of evil as Nazis and all they stood for. Perhaps removing it as a rallying point for our modern fascists is something many Australians would see as the right thing to do. I would probably agree.

Liedia Thorpe herself, marched into parliament with her arm out in a nazi salute, or close enough. It had the same aggressive meaning.
BLM use the same salute. Ban that as well.its a racial power violence sign the same as the Nazi salute.

Also most women are against penises in women's changing areas. Why? Because they are mothers and grandmothers who worry about attackers hiding in toilets even before you factor in the issue of transgender people.

Lesbians have used woman's toilets forever but there has never been any issues and women are accepting of it because there is no penis on lesbians. Transgender is a different issue.

I think they should have their own toilets and dressing rooms.
Don't push their issues onto women. Women need safety in their private spaces, and big men wearing wigs is hard to tell if they are legitimately female in their mind, or if they are more male in their minds with a penis, in women's change rooms.
That is the dilemma and it is not an issue that should be forced onto
straight women to solve.
They should definitely not compete in women's sports.
Again, why not have transgender sports teams who play against each other.