Yes I can tell people what to say and what not to say. I can SAY IT, why? because SYING THAT is for the freedom of speech that you are talking about. If we have freedom of speech I can say that. But the other member who says in Islam woman is lower than dog, that is against the rules and conditions of this forum, I believe the adminstrator should judge and make decision whether that member is permitted to continue or to be banned.

You guys better to read the rules of this forum one more time.

So I answer POLITELY that if you think woman in Islam is lower than dog , I believe that woman in western culture is lower than the high level that deserve to have. Woman should not let the western culture to make her as a DOLL just for the SHOW and ENJOY. The level of human being should not come down to the status of a DOLL.

From where I sit Islam is extreme. We dont here about half of what extreme Islam gets up to because it isnt in the multu culti spectrum that is allowed in the news. Female Circumcision, cutting off limbs, honor killings over 400 in Europe last year alone, rape of infidel women increasing every year in Europe, bombings, Darfur, Iran Iraq, 9/11, spain, Bali, Egypt Hezzbollah, Hamas, my mate was stabbed in kebab shop in Manly, Bilal Skaff, Somalia, East Timor, West Papua, Palestine--
These and many many more were all committed by Islam. Its on the nose.
Aunti next time your walking around and you get those funny looks by strangers, yeh they are suspicious of you, when you start condemning and I meen all of moderate Islam says enough maybe you will gain our trust. Till then dont ask a stupid question as to what you should do regarding our laws. You would have signed somthing on the way in telling you plain and simple whats required of you, leave it behind or get out because we dont want you if you cant respect our ways.

Islams basis is rooted in shame where as christian based societies
are bedevilled by guilt. The more you percieve to have the greater the guilt, likewise the less of life you grasp in Islam the greater the shame. Shame leads to persecution, anger and violence while guilt leads to reparations and self loathing, fodder for the left.

No Tabouleah

Philo, I think you raise some interesting potential conflicts. If there is a strict Sharia law which says that homosexuals and adulterers should be stoned, then it is obviously incompatible with not just Australian law, but that species of natural law called Universal Human Rights. So, in my view there would be no legimitate right to civil disobedience.

However, the issue in a sense doesn't arise with custody of children. Or normal marriage arrangements. Our law doesn't prescribe who will have custody etc. unless you arrive before the courts, in which case they will make a decision. So consenting parties who wanted to observe Sharia in this situation would not face any issues.

Polygamy is an issue where there is a conflict, and I would have some sympathy with someone of the Islamic faith who wanted to practice polygamy and did so. I can find a rational reason why our law should forbid it. Or why marriage should be a state licence at all.

As someone noted there are some Sharia law courts in Canada. I'm interested to know whether there are different types of Sharia. Perhaps what is Sharia in Saudi Arabia is not Sharia in Canada.

It seems to me that we are burdened with problems with moslem immigrants
that no other group have presented.
The Chinese have a much greater different culture than those from moslem
countries, yet there are far fewer problems with Chinese/Australian
cultural or religious differences.

To sum up why should we be bothered with all this trouble ?
We should immediately stop moslem immigration and try to encourage the
rest to leave.
I can hear the PC protests and abuse now, so don't bother.

I guess it's par for the course that the thread gets hijacked by the whack-a-mozzie brigade in such impressive numbers. Must give all you Chicken Littles a nice warm feeling, cackling away at each other like fishwives. Not very edifying, though.

Just look at you all.

Scotty: "Islamic values have caused nothing but terror wherever they are implemented. Women are virtual slaves, infidels are lower than dogs and war is a given in Islamic societies."

kactuz: "Truth is not an insult. If I say the Quran is full of hate and violence, that is not an insult. It is a fact. If I say that Mohammad attacked, murdered, plundered, tortured, enslaved, raped and beat his wife, that is not an insult."

Gibo: "You might also note that the Islamic countries are the poor countries of the earth, third world poor, which tells me that wherever the Koran is, God simply doesnt bless as He does in other lands. Many christians see allah and mohammed as works of the fallen angelic realm."

(I was particularly impressed with the logic, Gibo. I guess that makes Arkansas a pretty unblessed place too, right?)

Scotty (again): "From where I sit Islam is extreme. We dont here about half of what extreme Islam gets up to because it isnt in the multu culti spectrum that is allowed in the news. Female Circumcision, cutting off limbs, honor killings over 400 in Europe last year alone, rape of infidel women increasing every year in Europe, bombings, Darfur, Iran Iraq, 9/11, spain, Bali, Egypt Hezzbollah, Hamas, my mate was stabbed in kebab shop in Manly, Bilal Skaff, Somalia, East Timor, West Papua, Palestine"

Sorry to hear about your mate in Manly, Scotty. In a kebab shop, too. Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it.

It must be sad, living in such fear.

And Bazz: We should immediately stop moslem immigration and try to encourage the rest to leave.

Lovely solution Bazz. Thank you for sharing.

Well Pericles you have quoted us all and thats all.

Im from the bush we're a practical lot out here, if somthing gives us trouble we fix it or at least try. I hear posts from city type leftists like yourself ( oh Im sure you had some uncle that lived out back of Burke and you have ties in the bush) about xenophobia, islamaphobia and so on to denigrate the little guy, the average guy. All very smug in your nice suburb and government job and big super payout waiting. A lot is going wrong in this country and you guys dont want to fix it. If muslims are a problem, simple dont bring anymore. Crimes out of control, simple corporal and capital punishment. The world is hardening around us we must be tougher to deal with it.