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Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 17 September 2007 11:38:32 AM
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People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
The practise of sending sheep already slaughtered is not acceptable to the local culture to whom the live exports are sent. They are not just for food but for ritual religious purposes. The buyers must identify with the live sheep and take it and own it as theirs before they take its life. It is part of their religious duty. Australia has undoubtly the best supply of rams for this purpose. The real cruelty today does not happen in Australia or on boats to the Middle East. The real cruelty occurrs after they arrive in the Middle East. Unless you can change the culture of the Midle East the practise will continue even if rams are soursed from elsewhere. Posted by Philo, Monday, 17 September 2007 7:38:26 PM
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philo
Even if your information were correct - Which it isnt! That only enforces hypocracy. So you know about it but still send them or agree with we good christians sending them. Good Grief. Do you mind if I borow your comments to start a new thread philo? Now it might help you to know that muslims do not require Live Exports for Religious purposes. If you would read this media R put out by the Muslim Leaders of Australia speaking out against cruelty it might help you. http://www.livexports.com/afic.html I do appreciate your comments on live exports however its best to know facts before making staements about a subject in my opinion. good on your friend for leaving Elders. Please note the Government just gave elders a BILLION dollars together with Optus for a project. Live exports only exsist because of very sleazzy trade deals set up by Governments and greedy little men with no concern for Australian jobs or Animal cruelty. Perhaps the billion dollars might make you re think who is pushing live exports and why the Government wont stop it. Be interesting to know what donations go to which parties\ Wouldnt it.? Well past the time for our Australian Church Leaders to unite and speak out about Gods Creatures and stop live exports. Dont you think?- The Muslim leaders already have! Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 10:07:25 AM
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People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
Its all very well for educated Muslim leaders in Australia to speak up about Australia's exporting of live animals, they do not want to offend local sensitivities. We in Australia do not allow cruelty to animals hense the RSPCA. We do not allow the slaughter of animals other than under proper proceedures and hygenic conditions for human consumption. This is not the case in Middle Eastern countries. Recognise what are the customs of Middle Eastern Muslims who slaughter their own animals in the back yard of their home by slitting its throat and not stunning it first while it bleeds to death. The cruelty is their problem not ours! We in Australia deplore this practise. So it is logical Muslims in Australia will suport Australian sensitivities as do all honourable Australians. Posted by Philo, Thursday, 20 September 2007 11:57:10 AM
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Philo
As I said they are `our Australian Animals.` You who speak as a Christian many times on this forum are surley not asking the Australian people to except that you support sending them to treatment such as you just described? Surley we have a duty of care? Surley it is time to stop putting the fault at those who take them to those who send them. Just as clearly if it is not the duty of Church Leaders of Australia to speak out about barric treatment to our Australian Farm Animals Than whose is it? The spat about pre stunning of Animals goes far beyond your understanding We do have Muslim Leaders who are prepaired to push ritual slaughter yes We also those who will rise to challange them and show the world Islam is not about cruelty but a beautiful religion if practised as intended. Do you really think the Australian people will remain silent if the Governments are stupid enough to allow ritual slaughter.? Do you not see even more hatred stampted by the Governments if they should allow this. The Howard Government have a new advisor who I think is savy enough to see the trouble this would start here. So we have a group of Muslim leaders screaming that we must pre stun and treat Animals kindly. On the other hand we have old die hard people. May the best men Win. That still leaves the Church leaders SILENT Shame Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 20 September 2007 6:08:15 PM
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I will speak up against the cruelty inflicted upon animals as it indicates a cruel person who can and will physically injure or murder other people.
The Church leaders are against cruelty to animals, however in the Middle East it is different religion and it is dificult to internationally condemn another religion and its culture. Can I ask what is to happen to the hundreds of thousands of male lambs born each year in Australia if we do not export them? Where are the Middle East going to get sheep from? because they will still carry out these ritual killings. We live in a global village and exports of food is part of feeding people. Posted by Philo, Sunday, 23 September 2007 7:42:05 AM
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Thank you for your question.
Who "sends them them there"? "We do". The Australian Government does. We the "Christians do."
What do our Christian Leaders have to say about such Cruelty to Australian Animals- Nothing?
Perhaps the young man who left Elders and is now a pastor will speak out.
I hope so
At least the Muslim leaders have spoken out and said it is not true that they require Animals Alive for Religious purposes.
It’s all about trade deals and stacked tariffs. That Philo is run by Governments.
We are the ones sending the Animals. As you said your relative was a buying for Elders then you must understand he was, we are Australia is the one responsible and our so called Christian churches should hang their heads in shame at their silence!
Re Muslim leaders – Philo I will stand with you at the wharfs in the streets and raid houses if I find any people working to bring down our way of life in this country.
Of course there are some extremist’s nuts getting around blowing up places.
My point is many people who fled those terribly condition to live a new free and peaceful life our copping it again.
Not all Muslim leaders are bad people. Some are.
Just like Christians
But all people have a duty of care to Animals especially Christians and Church leaders who sit in silence.