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Islamic Values or Australian Values? [ Australian Government's Concern ]

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Aunti

Australians are very accustomed to accepting immigrants from all over the world.

During the Gold Rush era in the 19th century, thousands emigrated to Australia. Just in 1851 alone, 370,000 people arrived from Eastern and Western Europe and in 1852, some 40,000 Chinese arrived to try their luck. Some Muslims also arrived, during the '30s and '40s. I recall having joyful rides on their camels.

Apart from a few low-key spats, everyone appeared to settle in well and the varying religious practices did not conflict with Australian laws.

The essentials of a democracy are: The majority rules, coupled with individual and minority rights and the rule of law.

If Sharia law conflicts with the Australia's rule of law, then you will need to make some adjustments.

Australia should not be required to breach or adjust their existing rules of law to favour just one specific religion. That is not democratic.

Imagine what all the other religions would have to say about that!
Posted by dickie, Monday, 10 September 2007 10:47:29 PM
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Want my advice,
There is no question; you follow Australian Law or
LEAVE - END OF STORY
Posted by originalaussie, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 1:28:23 AM
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How about we take the case of the Kebab Shop owner whose wife may or may not have been cheating on him?

Does he take the way of Australian law and walk away from it as a lesson learnt?

No he slits her throat Islamic style out back of the KEBAB shop..

Is this the type of laws you refer to that makes you feel guilty?

Yeh righto plenty of Australians have been found guilty of putting off thier partners following adultery however the honour killing of the adulterous wife is an Islamic pastime.

Aunti old mate you come here and I suspect you came here this generation from the sound of your post. No offence intended

If you have any problem with our laws, the first thing you should do is be greatful that we have allowed you to come here and live in freedom free from oppression. Our laws are number one, your religion comes second abide by that and you can get down to the business of living.

Mate get on the jam roll, join john howards surf team, fire up the barbie and crack a tinny. You blokes take it all a bit too serious
Posted by SCOTTY, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 1:36:55 AM
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Please do not invite us to comment, then tell us what we can and can not say.
This country has opened its doors to people from all over the world, in most cases we benefited more than our migrants.
Just a few from your religion, born here or not are telling us how to live and I find it ugly.
See the idiot in his latest lunch break from deep in that cave?
America must embrace Islam?
We would be better all of us, understanding the fable that is religion stands in the way of man becoming one people.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 6:29:26 AM
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Well said Belly.. exactly.. telling us we cannot or should not 'insult' the religion is SHARIA LAW.. and I won't put up with that :)

In fact..that specific thing is a prime reason for the tone of many of my comments in other places. Just imagine Braveheart.. when he yelled 'but they'll never take our freeeeedom'...yep..thats how I feel too.

Let the answer to this issue be from Muslim village first.

Why would the government even consider your proposal when Muslims make up such a small percentage of the population. Do you seriously expect the Australian people to allow a system to come to bear that makes them second rate citizens in their own country?
Its like me moving to another country and saying "Hey my mates and I arent able to practive X law and Y law because you wont let us, so you better change the laws or there is going to be trouble down the track" now there is only a few of us in this country yet we expect the government to bend over for a minority whilst simultaneously shafting its own population for the sake of a minority.(RUFIO)

Well gee.. If BOZO had said something like this Pericles and CJ would be all over me like the worst rash I ever had and call me 'paranoid/obsessed' :)

Lets focus on that little phrase "or there'll be trouble down the track"..yes..he mentioned that as a hyperthetical... granted..but see what Othman says.

"Secondly, the Australian establishment is firmly allied with the enemies of Allah and Islam. We would be wasting our time working with them in this regard" (OTHMAN)

Well.. again..if I'd said this.. u know the rest.
But here is a clear and unmistakable declaration:

"Non Muslim Australians are firmly allied with the enemies of Islam"

which presumably means 'we' are also enemies of Islam.

Now aunti.. at about this moment, the insults are likely to fly thick and fast.. calling us 'ENEMIES' is not a way to win friends and influence people. Be thankful Jesus said "Love" your enemies....
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 7:11:27 AM
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Boazy, I see you're up to your usual tricks - posting remarks from another forum as if they represent what the originator of this thread has asked. If you have issues with comments posted in another forum by people who aren't members of this forum, why don't you take them up with those people in the forum where they actually participate?

Aunti has asked what appears to be a legitimate question for fundamenalist Muslims. Most people who have responded thus far in this thread have answered the question politely and clearly, to the effect that in Australia, where there are conflicts between the law of the land and religious laws, it is the law of the land that prevails. It's quite simple, really.

However, it seems that Boazy is incapable of engaging in a conversation with those who don't share his crackpot beliefs without reverting to rabid form.

Boazy, this thread isn't about you and what you believe, nor is it about what you think others might think about you and your delusions.

I'm genuinely interested to hear from Aunti which aspects of Sharia law are incompatible with Australian law, and why this is apparently a problem for some Australian Muslims. I'd like to hear it from a Muslim, rather than from an avowedly Islamophobic Christian fundamentalist, thanks.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 8:34:45 AM
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