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Islamic Values or Australian Values? [ Australian Government's Concern ]

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When Muslims want to have their Islamic values, some of the Australians misunderstand or pretend to misunderstand and say: "Muslims want to replace Sharia Law instead of Australian Law".

Replacing Sharia Law in the place of current Australian law will be possible only when Muslims are in the majority of the Australian society. So if one day Muslims will be the majority it might take place, something that from now Aussies are worry about it.

The issue now is not about making Sharia Law as the legal Law, it's about following Sharia Law at the same time that we respect the Australian Law (to respect the majority of the country we are living in), ok that's fine, but the problem, the serious question is that:
What should Muslims do if sometimes they face conflict between these two Laws and they have to choose only one option? What should Muslims do if they have only one choice when they face a rule that they must follow it by law but it's a sin by Sharia Law? Should they follow Sharia Law or the opposite of that? If they ignore Sharia law they feel guilty because is sin , if they ignore Australian law they feel guilty because is crime to break the law.

This is a problem for Muslims, also a serious concern for Australian government. I think both sides should find a solution for that to make both happy otherwise the problems will be more in the fuure.

We as Muslims want to respect to the Australian law, but at the same time we won't ignore our Sharia Law, we can't close the Quran and it's rules just because of respect to the majority. So I think Muslims and the Australian government should find a solution for this.

I appreciate for your answer or solution, but please do not suggest Muslims to leave Australia. That is not a democratic solution for Australia, some of them have been born here in Australia, where do you want them to go?

Please do not insult the religion if you comment here. Thanks.
Posted by Aunti Anti Terrorism, Monday, 10 September 2007 4:56:59 PM
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It would be easier to comment if you gave some examples of the conflicting laws.

From where I am standing you had better respect Australian law first you wont get any sympathy from me if you try and hide behind sharia law when trying to defend your actions.
Posted by EasyTimes, Monday, 10 September 2007 5:53:08 PM
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An important issue.

>>We as Muslims want to respect to the Australian law, but at the same time we won't ignore our Sharia Law, we can't close the Quran and it's rules just because of respect to the majority.<<

The law of the land is the final arbiter here. That is why we have a parliament, elections and a legal system. And until and unless we decide to change this, that is how we decide what is legal and what is not.

Any conflict between a specific community's beliefs and the law as it stands has to be resolved within that community. It cannot be the responsibility of the citizenry at large to anticipate the needs of every faction, group, or religion.

Over a period of time, changes to the law, where it does not cut across the rights of others, might occur. In the UK, for example, the government introduced a law that required motorcyclists to wear crash helmets. After some consideration, they exempted turbanned Sikhs - who had objected on religious grounds - on the understanding that they took personal responsibility for any injuries that were caused by its absence.

This is the way it works. It is a mistake to term it an issue of values, it is simply a matter of the law of the land.

Do you have any specific examples of where your religion finds itself in conflict with Australian law?
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 10 September 2007 6:00:03 PM
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Aunti
Could you give a couple of examples where the Koran clashes with The Australian Laws please.

Just everyday ones you have have experienced or heard about?
After saying that the anwser is a very simply one.
There is only one thing I know of that everybody agrees on.
Thats is we can blame the Australian Government and other Fovernments for putting Muslim people and Australian people in such a difficult position.

Yes it is easy to see how this could cause much heartache for many on both sides of the fence.
In hindsite we must ask ourselves if Paul Keating really knew what he was doing.
That aside we really need to find the right answer so Muslim people thinking of coming to Australia are not put in a position of being unable to settle and make this beatuiful home land their home also.

Perhaps an Education programe provided to them before they come to Australia so they can be fully informed and make a choice armed with that information as to if they still wish to come.



Thanks Aunti- insteresting.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 10 September 2007 6:00:28 PM
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This issue was raised in the Muslim Forum by Aunti:

http://forums.muslimvillage.net/lofiversion/index.php/t36886.html
Posted by katieO, Monday, 10 September 2007 6:06:00 PM
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Thanks for the heads-up, katie0.

Aunti: "What should Muslims do if sometimes they face conflict between these two Laws and they have to choose only one option?"

As Pericles suggested, the only option under Australian law is to follow the law of the land rather than religious law. Otherwise, you have the options of contravening the law and risking prosecution and/or arrest, or going somewhere where Sharia law is in force.

That's the situation in Australia now and for the forseeable future.

Having read the 'Muslim Village' discussion, I too would appreciate it if you state explicitly which aspects of Sharia law you find to be so incompatible with Australian law? It certainly wasn't very clear in that discussion.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 10 September 2007 7:54:54 PM
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