Ali_OZ,
Tell me why because I just need to know.

Why Oh Why would you want to come to a country that conflicts

with every page of your archaic sharia laws?
If not to subjugate us to dimmitude and claw back the caliphate.

Islamic values have caused nothing but terror wherever they are implemented. Women are virtual slaves, infidels are lower than dogs and war is a given in Islamic societies.

With that said western democracies and thier values enjoy the highest standards of living on the planet and thier citizens are generally free to go about thier business no matter what some will say here as they are of the spoilt and reckless in our society and should be taken as such.

Would it not be more beneficial to leave sharia in the past where it belongs and to embrace the positive parts of the west for your childrens sake. Does not Islam love its children the way we love our children, if it does it needs to make a few urgent changes.

Sooner or later the west will run out of patience.

Would those who find conflict with Australian laws please identify one.
For instance what is the prescribed punishment for adultery under shari'ah?
What is the prescribed punishment for the act of homosexuality under shari'ah?
What is the status of a woman under shari'ah?
Who has custody [ownership] of the children in the case of divorce under shari'ah?

Doesn't work like that, Al.

>>why you guys want ONE example? Most of cases are in conflict with Shariaw law.<<

The enquiry was made in all good faith, by people who are puzzled that there is a problem at all, and are anxious - at least, I'm anxious - to find out more. If there are, as you say, so many examples, why on earth is it difficult to pick one?

>>I think people who don't have knowledge about Islam should not join this thread and comment<<

Now that is simply dumb.

Given that we are in a secular democracy, and a question has been posed by someone interested in the impact of that secular democracy on a particular religion, why should it be incumbent upon them to research said religion?

Surely, the responsibility is on the person who generates the query to provide everyone else with some idea of the basis of the concern. Otherwise it's like going to a GP and asking advice on dentistry. Sure, he'll probably be able to offer an opinion if you explain the problem clearly enough. But it is not reasonable to ask him to spend the next five years qualifying as a dentist, simply because you can't be bothered to tell him what's hurting.

>>I don't have any knowledge about engineering and if I see any thread about that I will keep my mouth shut<<

But if you were halfway across a bridge when it collapsed under you, wouldn't you be inclined to pose the odd question to those who do have a knowledge of engineering?

This is actually a key question, and deserves better treatment that you are giving it here, Al.

Otherwise, all you will get is people who want to tell you how nasty your religion is - and we have plenty of those, as you well know.

Aunti

Please do not tell me what I can and cannot say. We call this freedom of speech. It is part of Western culture and heritage. I will respect you when you respect me. OK?.

Your comment about not “insulting” is typical of the problems in Islamic societies. No insulting means no critical thought, no freedom of conscience, no political freedom, no economic liberty and no human rights. It is a chain and all links must be respected.

Be aware that I do not insult religions. I only tell the truth. Truth is not an insult. If I say the Quran is full of hate and violence, that is not an insult. It is a fact. If I say that Mohammad attacked, murdered, plundered, tortured, enslaved, raped and beat his wife, that is not an insult. If you don’t like these facts, please take the matter up with Muslim, Abu Dawud, Bukhari, Hisham, Kathir, Tabari, etc… Do you recognize those names?

If you have any doubts about these facts, I will provide links to Islamic texts.

Auntie, have you actually read the Quran and hadith? Have you perhaps noticed anything that may offend non-Muslims? Do you think that people who criticize Islam (or insult it, as you say) should be treated like it says in Sura 5:33–34? (In case you don’t know: “The punishment for those who wage war against God and His Prophet, and perpetrate disorders in the land, is to kill or hang them, or have a hand on one side and a foot on the other cut off, or banish them from the land. Such is their disgrace in the world, and in the Hereafter their doom shall be dreadful”.

Kind words, those. Be honest about your feelings and thoughts, and be brutally tortured to death by a god that claims to me merciful. I can list over a dozen people here that qualify for this treatment. OK with you?

One last thing, Auntie - I suggest you change your name. You cannot be against terror and for Mohammad.

Kactuz

kactuz, I'm going to have to disagree.

You state: "Your comment about not “insulting” is typical of the problems in Islamic societies. No insulting means no critical thought, no freedom of conscience, no political freedom, no economic liberty and no human rights."

Insulting is a broad scale. Take SCOTTY's uninformed commentary about throat slitting. Whilst in the extremities this may occur, it's hardly a common Islamic practice a quick read of his post would have you believe - so I'd consider it insulting. As I think, Christians would be insulted if you said their faith was just about harassing gays and shooting doctors who perform abortions.

Those who hate Islam love to trawl out the extreme examples and use it to justify their hatred.

I've no love of extreme islam and I'd hate to see sharia law instituted in Australia.
I think GrahamY makes an interesting point as well - ultimately our decisions regarding law come down to conscience anyway. Most people speed because they don't believe it's wrong - there's no victim there. Ultimately I think that's what it comes down to - I lean to the side of the victims. If there was a case of a Muslim following Sharia law over Australian law but it wasn't hurting anyone, I wouldn't have a problem with it - but this is unlikely, because ourlaws, by and large are largely there to protect people - at least, the just ones are. Sometimes laws aren't just - in which case, it's a much more gray area.

Overall however, I'm inclined to believe you need to follow the laws that Australians have agreed on - and by and large, those are Australian laws.

Though I certainly think you can critically discuss things without insulting them, and there is a difference there kactuz - I think you're a little guilty of picking the extremities of debate - in this case, people who are quick to adopt a victim mentality - and extend it to the wider debate.

You might also note that the Islamic countries are the poor countries of the earth, third world poor, which tells me that wherever the Koran is, God simply doesnt bless as He does in other lands. Many christians see allah and mohammed as works of the fallen angelic realm. The fruits of the religion are so that way. Same with the Roman Catholic church. Where it is the dominant power, the people are poor and bound to their religious overseers. Yet look at the great western countries where the Holy Bible has settled into the earth and sprouted great things. Gods Blessing are upon them. Medical, education, commerce and trade are tremendous. They have the power... and they have the freedom of speech and the great law systems that uphold the oppressed. We had better not lose this wonderful God-Given stuff by giving way to oppressive religious systems that buck Gods Grace and Flow.