Meg do you know what your husbands, uncles, son is up to? I doubt most people would.

As for beheading I assume you are talking about Iraq. You know that former secular state that used to be the only country in the region without sharia law.

If martians invaded townsville would you do nothing?

Examine your hatred, is it productive? Or does it just make things worse? Don't you understand you are the problem?

Aspro,

Terrorists can only win if they have the support of the bleeding heart left and the benefit of our legal systems. Terrorism only works on a liberal democracy. Everywhere else they get short shrift. The Islamo-Facists have a vested interest in weakening anti-terror laws, so you will see their supporters marching side by side with all the leftist idiots making the world safer for terrorists. Lenin called the leftist Americans who helped or supported the soviets his ‘USEFUL IDIOTS’.

Marilyn

1. The British police passed on the evidence suggesting the sim card was found in the car at Glasgow Airport. Police picked him up at the Airport hours after he had a conversation with his brother who told him “ They have found out nothing about you”. The one way ticket was booked after this conversation.

2. He didn’t tell his employer he was leaving

3. His wife had given birth nearly 7 days before he decided to book a ticket. So the idea that he was going home to see his baby girl is laughable.

4. You don’t have a clue what the AFP knows, only what they put before the court. Knowing and proving are two different things. It seems you are happy to believe everything Haneef says, without question

5. The fact that only one person died is a testament to the terrorists ineptness, not to their intent, which was clearly to do as much damage as possible

Runawake,

That secular country that didn’t have sharia law had a dictator who managed to kill or intimidate anyone who didn’t agree with him. He had fathers watch as their daughters were raped. He had Alsatians tear apart the babies of Senior Staff who angered him. His sons tortured and killed the members of the soccer team when they performed badly. This was Saddams way of conducting gov’t.

My hatred of the Islamo-fascists stems from their targeting of innocents civilians for maximum impact. I don’t see any problem with hating these evil people, the fact that you don’t says more about you, than it does about me

So Marilyn, all the other bombing ‘victims’ are to be ignored…figuratively speaking? There’ve been thousands-upon-thousands of bombing victims…Haneef’s ‘distant’ cousin is a-close-enough-cousin to give him his sim card…I’m very fond of my cousins but I don’t give them my sim cards and I know they aren’t in the back shed making bombs…

Who cares if the British wanted him? You’re ignoring the Indian police interest in him…he’s left himself open to question on the sim-card-loan and e-mail issues, amongst others…he left HIMSELF open to suspicion, whether-through-guilt-or-stupidity-remains-to-be-seen…they had significant reasons to arrest him and investigate him further.

As for media…Russo, his ‘loose-lipped’barrister and Haneef’s family were the real media tarts in all this…who’re you kidding…no-one played the media card more than the Haneef camp, including ‘alleged-media-payments-for-interviews’.

RE: ‘Keeting-appointee’-Mick Keelty, now there’s a case of trial by leftist-media, if ever I saw one…I wonder what would happen if he was just allowed to do the job we’re paying him for, instead of responding to leftist, bleeding-heart propaganda against him, as an authority figure…did your mother oppress you too, Marilyn?

If, as you say, they ‘lied in court’…then they would be sued or subjected to perjury charges…the consequences of which are significant. You should choose your words more carefully or you might be considered a liar also with your careless use of the facts or dribbling-verbal-fiction.

Again I ask, would you consider it preferable for Haneef to have been treated as his cousin and co. might have treated their ‘captives’ or ‘victims’ of interrogation at some stage…?

…remember, if you were picked up by one of his cousins, the punishment might be beheading, slowly, while being filmed to send proof to your family…nothing to be afraid of, huh? I guess Australia’s methods of interrogation are still preferable to the methods Haneef might have ‘enjoyed’ if he were an Australian being ‘interrogated’ by his 'distant-cousins' or, who knows what part he may have played himself, given the chance…

There are still flights to Nirvana, Marilyn…although I don’t see the same hoards LEAVING Australia as there are FLEEING your leftist or facist-Islamic regimes…

(tbc...)

(Cont…)

Yes, ruawake, I know that my relatives aren’t making bombs…or involved in terrorism…don’t you?

If Martians invaded Townsville or Perth, I guess it would be immaterial what I would do, even if I was there…but you can bet I won’t bomb or behead them for just visiting as tourists or itinerant workers…and then send a video to their Mums and Dads!

…actually ruawake, I would say that your attitude displays hatred…not mine…I’m a realist, Haneef has been treated reasonably, by any reasonable person’s standards…and certainly better than I would be under the same circumstances in his country.

…actually, as a woman…I’d be treated worse than him under almost ANY circumstances in his country. I have family friends who are third generation (Indian) Australians, who would agree the standards in India on MOST things would not be acceptable here.

I don’t hate my country or its people, including its government…who I did not vote for, incidentally! You, on the other hand display a distinct aversion to this country and anyone of authority in it…especially those of the opposing political views to you…now there’s a great basis for arguing a case? …spare us your political ‘wisdom’.

ruawake? ..more like rua-wake up!

Paul.L…RE: Lenin’s ‘useful idiots’…we know what happens to those idiots when they are no longer ‘useful’ to such extremist elements…one would think they’d ‘learn the lessons of history’…?

You have succinctly addressed the issues well, as usual Paul.L and I agree that anyone who does not share revulsion at the evil barbarism and despicable sadism that is at the root of the terrorism ‘industry’ world-wide is as much a part of the problem as the terrorists themselves. It seems they conveniently believe Haneef’s ‘innocence’ but abhor any attempt by security forces to ensure the safety of the community…including the ‘innocent Haneef’s’ who reside here…curious isn’t it? …or is it predictable?

...I still can't understand why those who hate this country and its democratic system so much are still here...they could apply for refugee status in India since they feel so oppressed here...or hop on a one-way-ticket...just a thought... :)

Meg

Time for a slice of fruit cake I think. :)

Liz
I have complete confidence that Australia will NEVER become a nation where the citizens are fearful for their personal safety. The reasons why is that we, as a general population have a belief system that is basically respectful of life - the life of a child, man or woman regardless of race is sacred. Australia`s laws and constitution are all based on a christian set of values with a democratic political system that has existed since we landed here.....(I know the aboriginals were here before us but that is a whole other argument which has no bearing on my point)


Whilst the democratic system is still in place we will never have any problems....I mean, how many people do you know would vote for an Islamic Fundamentalist in your electorate? ...we are not going to vote for a person who could threaten our way of life...so the only way this could happen is if the government was overthrown by invasion of another entity - the only way to stop this is to be very very protective of our country physically and to make sure that the people we allow to live here hold the same basic values we do.

You could argue that under this belief system we did not treat aboriginals with the same respect we did ourselves - that is very true, however, because of who we are we have evolved and we now understand and respect the differences between different cultures and races. This tolerance doesnt seem to exist in some of the extreme Islamic sectors - they tend to blow you up if you have a different religion.

If you are doing nothing wrong than you will be fine....we CANNOT allow any people with any active links with terrorism to settle in Australia - dont care if they are just an aquaintance or a relation - if are seriously wanting to seek refuge in Australia because you are fearful of your personal safety than why on earth would you continue to communicate with the people who represent the very thing you are fleeing from?