Fair enough Meg1. Fair enough Davo.

I would be most interested in your conception of Al Qaeda, it's history and it's achievements. Mind that your references and links contain some real documentation. Videos would be nice (not tooooo blurry). Please don't include translations that can't be properly verified - and no scribbled notes found under a piece of goat's cheese in a shepherd's hut on the slopes of Tora Bora. Don't stretch our credibility that far!

Come on. I want REAL stuff. Give it to me please. It's time for YOU to do some thinking, while I take my ease.

While we're waiting, here's a little collection of videos to keep the rest of us amused:

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=1776115965172544683&q=fake+al+qaeda&total=141&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360&q=press+for+truth&total=692&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

The latest Clark and Dawe will appear here anytime soon:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/clarkedawe.htm

(bushbred, do you have broadband - can you watch these videos? Let me know if not, and I will send some seditious DVDs to you - cheers. PS Don't tell Mr Ruddock!)

"'First they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew..............
..............

Then they came for me
And there was no-one left
To speak out for me.'"

I have never read such utter garbage in all my entire life.

I assume that you and Andrew are implying that if the current right wing government was left unchecked we would all be under threat of being whisked away from our house in the middle of the night never to be seen again if we utter any islamic or threatening opinions?

Its a shame that most of you dont seem to have any real understanding of what it is actually like to live in a society where you have no basic human rights and the government rules with an iron fist. Comparing the Australian Government to the governments or leaderships who commited to the murdering of 6 million jews and the starvation of its citizens in the name of communism is ridiculous. You are trivialising this horrible time in history by flippantly implying that our democratic government and way of life is in anyway similar to that of Hitlers or Stalins hidious regimes.

Have you ever felt that you could not speak your mind in this country regardless of the government? Has the government ever taken any member of your family away in the middle of the night?....I doubt it

If you are so definate about the Australian governments supposed 'racism' than I suggest you go and find a different country to live in.....only problem is I doubt youll find one that will allow you to be who you are. A communist government will penalise you for being enterprising, an islamic government will penalise you if you are female and the americans will simply shoot you.... good luck!

Stop complaining - you live in the best country in the world - try and see past the political games and realise what is actually happening. It is vitally important to protect our way of life which allows you to be so ridiculously ignorant.

Real rightly asks why you lefties don’t give a damn about the AFPoliceman who died on the job…or his family…only-terrorist-smpathisers-it-seems?

So Yvonne, let’s all learn how-to-behave-like-good-little-Muslim-women,-or-is-it-good-little-terrorist-victims…you-go-first! Lie down and take it? Are you for real? Accept some will die from terrorism? Save us from the likes of you…

Liz, you’ve used the quote “First they came…” completely out-of-context – it’s true if you were living in Iraq and didn’t do something to protect what little freedom you had left. Or, in the Australian context, if you all sit back and argue your leftist #@$*#! till the cows come home and ignore the present and real dangers from terrorism, to yourselves and your Jewish, Christian, Agnostic, ‘bleeding heart leftist’ or whoever lives beside you…neighbours.

Spare us from the ‘elite’ legal fraternity…Russo and Co who argue pedantics, not justice or truth…they’ve little to do with the law as it’s applied or was intended.

Chris Shaw, I hope you’re researching your El Quaida propaganda on-your-own-time and that my taxes or your employer aren’t paying for it…the Guardian indeed. I don’t care if they call themselves “Chris-Shaw’s-bleeding-heart-bombers”, the fact is, suicide-bombers (of-any-group) and their terrorist mates are all-an-insidious-evil-blight on this century and they have to be dealt with and the community protected from them, as far as possible.

RE: Haneef – he’s a suspect because of his own actions…either he’s guilty or a complete moron. For an innocent man, his eyes blinked at a rate of knots that would break any previous record…where’s the Guiness Book of Records when you need them! I don’t loan or give my sim card to any outside of my immediate family and they would be disqualified from that list if they were terrorist sympathisers or their ilk…Dr Haneef would have to be a closet sympathiser or terrorist or so stupid as to warrant being locked up for his own protection…from himself!

Arjay and others make some very good points. Izzo too, sums it up well…in few other countries could they voice such profound leftist ignorance and live to tell the tale…long live democracy…long live Australia’s freedoms!

Meg and the rest of you wallies. You waffle on about "freedoms" but these are the very things we are losing.

There is no freedom of speech in Australia. You can be jailed for telling the truth.

Do you understand the ramifications of the terror laws? Do you understand why they are wrong? Of course not.

The principles are simple, the Govt makes laws. The judges interpret them. This separation ensures that everyone is treated equally.

When the Govt makes laws and Govt officials interpret them we have lost our freedoms, we are closer to a fascist state, it is wrong.

If Labor win the next election I fear for my country, not from anything the Govt may do, but from the right wing fanatics who will follow Timothy McVeigh. People who will never accept that their point of view is wrong.

I do not fear islamic fundamentalists, I fear my fellow citizens. How sad.

Meg. Hopefully the shortest OON response on record. "Jean Charles de Menezes".
Sleep well!

Runawake

It is you and your fellow bleeding hearts who don’t get it. You have clearly never lived in a society where there is no freedom of speech. In Burma, Aung San Suu Kyi has spent most of her adult life in some kind of detention merely for being anti gov’t. They would have killed her but the global community has warned the Burmese not to. In the Islamic world apostates ( those who renounce their religion) and adulterers can be sentenced to death. Women who are raped are killed by their fathers and brothers. Thousands of protesters in Tianamen Square Beijing were killed for being involved in an anti gov’t protest. The Russians also used to tanks to crush the Prague Spring uprising in 1956 killing hundreds. Robert Mugabe murders his opposition. Hundreds of thousands of people went missing, never to be found in South America in the 70’s and 80’s. Oh and Dr Haneef sat in a prison cell for a few weeks, had his visa cancelled and was then flown home

Liz was so right about being afraid, we really are Nazis of the highest order.

Get a grip people. Runawake you should go live somewhere that your fellow citizens don’t scare you. If you can find such a place since obviously you are scared easily.

Yvonne said “For all you folks who think Dr Haneef got his wife to have a caeserian section so he could flee Australia”
Most of us don’t believe that his wife had anything to do with his reasons for leaving Aust. Meg1 made some very good points about Haneefs motives. No one thinks he’s a terrorist mastermind, he is clearly a minor enabler at best. But there is enough doubt about his innocence to revoke his visa. Its hardly a draconian punishment in the scheme of things.