VERY, very, well put Yvonne.

Meg1, Your invective bile is bordering on hysteria. You may hold your views, but your vicious attacks on those who beg to differ are becoming somewhat galling.

Having just 'discovered' this thread I look forward to a prolonged and meaningful discussion with you.

No, Australia is not fascist Germany.

But then before the shadow fell over Germany it was thought of as the New Jerusalem by it's Jewish citizens (Ref; Amos Elon).

These things can happen fast and with economic disruption, faster.

As concerned, interested, citizens all- should we not strive to educate ourselves to be the kind of people that make such a happening an impossibility in our land?

What alarms me is that Germany was a country full of fine people and yet we have only a handful - (Sophie Scholl's gang, that Lutheran priest, Army group center command, maybe others)- of resisters.

Imagine oneself in Germany 1933.

What is your next move?
Go along to get along?
Or Hitler's Holiday camp? just a thought exercise

Having said all that, the only problem I have with the "pursuit of terrorists" is a strategy that breeds them and does not infiltrate and capture them.

So exactly where is Ben Laden?

My message to the extreme right is simple.

So any person who has a family member, unknown to them, who is involved in Terrorist Actives shall be deported back to his country of birth. Whether such a person is a permanent resident or here on a visa.

So that is what you are saying and you not only call that protecting the Australian People but you also call that Justice.

southerner, Haneef’s rellie (with-the-sim-card-which-his-wife-probably-didn’t-even-have) is a terrorist, if he gave him a sim card, I imagine he had an inkling of his ‘secret-terrorist-business-in-the-back-shed’…or-he’s-a-moron…you-choose.

He wasn’t an Aussie citizen, he had a visa…Rule 1-behave or go home…simple…should we be held responsible for his relationship with terrorist cousins or stupidity with a sim card? …Could you re-read your posts before submitting so they actually make sense?

Having travelled in Israel in the ‘70’s, Jellyback, I wonder if leadership on either side of the conflict has advanced any…or wants to. Horrific and barbaric massacres have been perpetrated in many nations of the world not-just-Germany…left-and-right,-extremists-all...who are living on ‘hand-me-down-hatred’ and refuse to believe there’s any common ground or good in the other side…it’s all about extreme politics or greed/money/power…combinations of all 3.

Ginx…you’re running-around-in-circles-repeating-yourself and showing your own political bent…sadly you’ve described your own intolerance for anyone who isn’t of your ilk. In your hysterical frenzy you’ve posted the same dribble twice…as if once wasn’t enough…please wipe your chin.

My answer, Yvonne is Yes, I have friends and extended family who had escaped from occupied parts of Europe during and after the war and also assisted escapees during the war. I have no desire to play one upmanship with you on line, you haven’t a clue what other people’s experiences or endurance has been…don’t be so arrogant or ignorant as to presume to know. My husband also employed a Ukranian man who had seen his father taken and his mother bayoneted in front of he and his sister because she pleaded for him to be spared…he left his sister and escaped though still only very young, his sister was too afraid to go with him. He tried to contact her many times afterwards but never heard from her again. I have family in Europe too, Yvonne…that doesn’t ensure total understanding of the present situation any more than the next person. One would think you’d have learned the lessons of history therefore, before aligning yourself with leftist bandwagons or any other political bent...so blindly. Hitler’s power depended on such blind obedience too

"Ginx…you’re running-around-in-circles-repeating-yourself and showing your own political bent…sadly you’ve described your own intolerance for anyone who isn’t of your ilk. In your hysterical frenzy you’ve posted the same dribble twice…as if once wasn't enough…please wipe your chin." (Quote:Meg1)

Stay as sweet as you are Meg...

I repeated my post because I knew you would not understand unless I did so..
Besides; I feel that such pearls of wisdom are enhanced by duplication..

I was right! Even the system approved! I got a lovely message telling me that my post/s were so profound; so compelling, that they needed time to sink into your psyche, and thus I need not post for another 24 hours..., or something like that.

Isn't that lovely!! I do so love it when genius is recognised...

Now Meg; you-must-not-go-getting-yourself so-upset. Posting-connected-text-AND-UPPERCASE-WILL-NOT-MAKE-YOUR-RAMBLING-DIRGES.....any-less-silly-than-they-are.

How sad to see the 'lap-dog' mentality of those who are so meekly obedient in accepting the pap that is fed to them by the Murdoch media, and St.Howard and his Regime.

I know it is difficult for you to grasp; you are too busy spitting venom;-but there ARE those who can actually think for themselves, and who are painfully aware that it is people that think like yourself, who will inevitably lead this Country into disaster.

Any attack on this Country ( and we both know that your hell-fire and brimstone approach is not just directed at Haneef), will come because people who think like yourself continue to see that the only way to extinguish a fire is to throw petrol on it.

In your blind espousal of the politics of hatred, I sometimes wonder if you people actually WANT an attack and casualties; just to prove your point!

Well,-I-and-many,-many,-others-will-continue-to-oppose-that-venomous-approach.

WHETHER-YOU-LIKE-IT-OR-NOT.

GINX...here is a little bone to chew on..... I'd love to know your view of this vid.. is it 'Murdoch' press at work again ?

Are the testimonies of the moderate Muslims 'made up/inventions' ?

Or..is it possible that you blokes simply don't 'see' with seeing eyes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWPvuAg4HjI

Assessing the Haneef case is difficult for those with limited information, (ie. 'us') and those of us who like to 'think' we are privvy to the full picture are delusional. It's so predictable that those who rapaciously bite the AFP over this, do so from ignorance of all available information, and thus, are 'bigoted' :)