Hi to **Jellyback and a few others...

I see that you've all determined that the AFP, Qld Police and others, seem to have been rendered ineffectual, with respect to their handling of the Dr Haneef matter. And just how would you know that ?

I would suspect you and your kind simply base this assertion on the rather unreliable information you've managed to garner from the media.

In reality, the public are generally left 'out of the loop' completely, in order to permit ongoing investigative processes to proceed without any unnecessary intrusion from the public and media.

It would indeed be quite vacuous for anyone to think for a moment, that the AFP and Qld Police are not totally 'across' all of Dr. Haneef's activities and associations.

Where the problem exists - it is all well and good 'knowing' something to be a fact, but to 'prove' it, in criminal proceedings, can be substantially more difficult. The burden of proof lies with the crown.

The standard of proof required in criminal matters...the Crown MUST prove it's case, to a point beyond that of a reasonable doubt. That, I can assure you, is sometimes another matter !

Give your support to the coppers, they're doing their best, often under extraordinarily difficult conditions.

What a sick joke!
We’re supposed to be afraid of these terrorism laws and the Howard government…and not of you?
This is the greatest piece of spin, propaganda and demogogery ever.
‘Faceless investigators’? What a joke! What’s not a joke is that one of those investigators died suddenly, just doing his job, and not a word since, from any of the do-gooder Left’, of sympathy for him and his family…as usual , all care reserved for the suspected terrorist…we can only imagine what stress that policeman might have been under, with the Rottweilers of the Leftist media and the Labor lawyers baying for innocent blood, waiting to pounce should he make a mistake…one slip, and in for the kill.
There would never be a terrorist that the Left wouldn’t happily let loose on the Australian people…what do you care… so good for the image!!
You pretend that our police made the sim card mistake, knowing it was Scotland Yard.
Andrews’ information wasn’t faulty…….his explanation more than justified revocation of the visa.
The recklessness, brutality and dangerous behaviour were all from your side…Leftist media, Beattie, Labor lawyers, and the Haneef lawyers…from nowhere else.
Haneef’s chat with his brother was too careful for innocence( a reasonable person could conclude).
It also shows that his brother had not been expecting him home in India , before everything hit the fan in Scotland….so it wasn’t a one-way trip to see his baby.
You also conveniently neglect to mention the Indian police dossier on Haneef.
Since you’re so close to ‘my life is an open book’ Beattie and his magistrate, why don’t you ask them to end the 17 year long cover-up and reveal to the Australian people that Rudd was top adviser to the premier, when the Goss Labor government decided to break the law by shredding evidence ( that they had been asked by barristers to preserve for forthcoming legal proceedings )…to avoid scrutiny of sexual abuse of children in state government care ? Rudd had to have known and condoned it.
Human rights?? We have nothing to fear except the Left.

Have any of you dills bothered to look at the "Indian Police Dossier" the one that the Indian police deny they compiled? Anyone could have put it together.

Have you bothered to read the transcript of the AFP interview with Haneef, where he explains his yahoo IM conversation? Why is an english translation released? The conversation was in Urdu.

Parliament soon, then the Federal Court hearing on the 8th. This has a long way to go.

My bet is that Andrews will not be a minister for much longer.

Andrew

The one thing to come out of the Haneef case is the fact that you can have your visa cancel on the following grounds:

1. A member of your family could be a active member of a Terrorist Group.

2. You may not be aware of a family member's association.

3. You may not be a member of Terrorist Group.

4. The fact that a member of your family is involved with such a group is suuficient for the Minister of Immigration to deny or cancel your visa.

Some may say it is better to be safe than sorry, despite the fact that you are been punished for their sins. I say is justice been served?

Supposing that your brother or sister or cousin or aunt or uncle is a terrorist then the question might be- what comes first, your family or some foreign community?
What about family honour? If you think they can get away with it if you say nothing or if you lie then what do you do? Say nothing? Lie? Is loyalty to family more important than a risk to others?
The relatives of terrorists, even the distant relatives, do not necessarily think rationally or in the same way as those for whom there is a threat of being injured or killed by terrorists.
We are making the mistake of assuming that the loyalties of the relatives of terrorists are with the (potential)victims of terrorism rather than the terrorists.

From BB

Looking for some thread to place this, but here goes, for might have discovered some good news about so-called terrorists for a change.

A brief from a Guardian article:

We cite two shadowy figures of the Iraqi resistance, Abdal Rahmein Zubeidy and Abdallah Suleiman Omary, both navigaters of what is called the 1920s Brigades, their brigades title copied from the name of the Iraqi revolutionary force who were air- bombed with mustard gas, when tens of thousands were killed by the British in 1920.

For more than four years Omary and Zubeidy have stayed mostly out of sight, while organizing an ever more stronger campaign that has helped bring the world’s most powerful military force to the brink of defeat.

However, Zubeidy and Omary do not associate much with Al Quida, and also try be independent from Iran. Moreover, the military leader of their brigades is a Kurd. So you will find with us, they appear to say, not only Sunnis, but faithful Iraqi Shias, as well as Iraqi Kurds. And we all hate the Americans says Zubeidy, for what they have done and still doing to us.

At the heart of this incredible alliance is a rejecton of the murderous sectarianism that has come to grip Iraq. They are also against suicide bombing because too many innocent people are killed. Further, they want not only all Americans to go home but also all foreign troops.

It is so incredible that because they have already proven the capacity to build into a united force of Sunnis, non-Iranian Shias and Kurds, they apparently have ideas of forming a democratic government without outside help.

Altough they are all Islamics - as a very liberal ecumenical Christian, all one can say is God be with them - and I hope I get backing from our Online comrades.

Cheers - BB