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Misguided and misogynistic religiosity : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 27/10/2006

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali's latest gaffe illustrates the widespread misogyny that exists among Muslim religious leaders.

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it is obvious
Posted by INKEEMAGEE2, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 10:54:14 PM
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West

In response to your post on the 31st Oct.
Have you read the BBC headline this morning?

“Westerners 'are more promiscuous'”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6101970.stm

"People in western countries tend to have more sexual partners than those in the developing world, a study says.
Monogamy is dominant across the world, but multiple partners are more common in rich countries, according to the study published in the Lancet.

"This was despite developing countries having higher rates of sexually transmitted infections and HIV.
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine researchers gathered data from 59 countries for the study.
They said factors such as poverty and mobility had more of a role in sexually transmitted infections than promiscuity had.

"...However, those reporting multiple partners were much higher in developed countries - up to a third of under 25s in some areas - whereas only a small percentage in Africa reported the same.
And among singletons, westerners were more sexually active as well.
Two thirds of men and women without a partner in African countries reported they had had sex recently, compared to three quarters of those in developed countries.

Surprising

"The researchers said these findings were surprising, as higher rates of STIs were reported in developing countries.
But the report's author, Professor Kaye Wellings, said: "This suggests social factors such as poverty, mobility and gender equality may be a stronger factor in sexual ill-health than promiscuity."
Posted by sabasakin, Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:26:15 AM
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Posted by West, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 10:26:50 PM
“ To think rape victims are part of a feminist conspiracy…Any man who thinks his daughter, mother, sister, wife, girlfriend, work colleague could do anything to deserve being raped is sick.”

You do what most hysterical feminist ravers do and exaggerate arguments to an extreme and then protest over the extremity of the position!

No-one ever said they thought that ‘rape victims were part of a feminist conspiracy’ or that any woman does anything to ‘deserve being raped’ but you cite it as if that is the position of the people to whom you are responding. Also you give no logic – you just rave – anyone can do that – have you actually read his speech? He referred to men as ‘cats’ as well. It would be just as valid to extrapolate his remarks about men to say that he thinks "men are all just animals who have no control over what they do and should be neutered like cats" as it is to extrapolate his remarks about women to the extent that you have done.

“Pru Goward the attack dog? Goward has not bitten anybody…Hilali has incited violence against Australians.”

Pru Goward has incited violence against Hilali – but like most women she uses the legal system to do her dirty work for her.
Posted by Rob513264, Thursday, 2 November 2006 5:27:32 AM
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'“Pru Goward the attack dog? Goward has not bitten anybody…Hilali has incited violence against Australians.”

Pru Goward has incited violence against Hilali – but like most women she uses the legal system to do her dirty work for her.'

Rob513264, it was Hilali himself who did the dirty work. Anybody who so comprehensively supports the vile comments he made should wonder whether there is a place for them in Australia. Rob513264, I happen to be male.

Hilali has incited violence against himself.
Posted by ant, Thursday, 2 November 2006 7:09:23 AM
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In todays "The Age": "The imams' statement deplored the intensified campaign being waged against Sheikh Hilali, saying it had wilfully and deliberately targeted Islam and Muslims."

For once I can agree with Mr. Howard and Mr.Costello and any other politician who has weighed in against the vile comments made by Hilali. If he was making the same kind of comments when Mr. Keating was Prime Minister, then he should have been deported years ago. There appears to be a number of moderate Muslims who are very much against Hilali, also.

A further worry is that Muslims are intending on having a rally to support Hilali at the weekend. At least the Lebanese Muslim Association does not officially support the rally.

It's a very big concern that 50 clerics are providing support for Hilali. It would appear that Ian Paisley, the violent speaking Protestant Christian from Ireland looks child like in comparison to Hilali
Posted by ant, Thursday, 2 November 2006 10:03:34 AM
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Rob513264 I am explicitly saying that men are not cats, for Hilali to think men are like cats is only a reflection upon himself, his supporters and his ideology which in this case is Islam.

Rape does not come natural to the well adjusted male; misogyny is a hall mark of the Abrahamic cults. Adamism the belief that men are the incarnation of god and women are his live stock. The ultimate outcome of the belief in the Abrahamic god is of course rape this is not only articulated through Islamic neo-prophets such as Hilali but also in the neo-prophet pope cult of Catholicism where women in poverty are kept in subjugation through pregnancy and the protestant cult of morals where women’s punishment for being women is to serve her husband. Even within the occult belief of intelligent design believers claim women have inferior genes to men. Of course there are thousands of types of misogyny in the Abraham cults but that will do for 350 words.
You will see Christians have been very vocal in attacking homosexuality and stem cell research but save a few have been quite silent on this issue as they have also been silent in condemning child rape which is prettied into being called child sex abuse.

I too am male; it seems as if your Brotherhood against women is on the thin side here.

Sabasakin yes you are right but be careful because poverty does not necessarily equate to crime. House keeper rape in Arabia and Malaysia is conducted by those on high incomes. Naturally places where children have been exposed to war experience a cohort of rapists later on. Generally rape is a combined product of bad values, bad ideology, self obsession, a strong sense of righteousness, a fear of women, the inability to empathise with fellow humans and psychotic sexual perversion.
Posted by West, Thursday, 2 November 2006 10:11:09 AM
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