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Misguided and misogynistic religiosity : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 27/10/2006

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali's latest gaffe illustrates the widespread misogyny that exists among Muslim religious leaders.

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Comments by Shaikh ibn Baz who was the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia ... (2004) at Mecca:

“I advise the young ladies not to refuse a man because of his older age. Even if he be ten, twenty or thirty years older, this is not a valid excuse. THE PROPHET (PEACE BE UPON HIM) MARRIED AISHA WHEN HE WAS FIFTY-THREE YEARS OLD AND SHE WAS NINE YEARS OLD. Older age is not harmful. There is no problem if the woman is older than the man and there is no problem if the man is older than the woman. The Prophet (peace be upon him) married Khadijah when she was forty years old and he was twenty-five years old, before he received his first revelation. That is, she was fifteen years older than him (may Allah be pleased with her). AND AISHA WAS MARRIED WHEN SHE WAS A YOUNG LADY OF SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AND THE PROPHET (PEACE BE UPON HIM) CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE WHEN SHE WAS NINE YEARS OLD AND HE WAS FIFTY-THREE YEARS OLD. Many of those who talk on the radio or television and speak against having disparaging ages between husband and wife are wrong. It is not permissible for them to say such things. Instead, what must be done is, the woman must look at the prospective husband and, if he be pious and appropriate, she must agree to him even if he is older than her. Similarly, the man must try to marry a woman who is pious and virtuous, even if she is older than him, especially if she is still less than mid life. In any case, age should not be taken as an excuse. It should also not be considered a shortcoming, as long as the man is pious or the woman is pious. May Allah make the affairs good for everyone!”

What a lovely cultural sermon!
Posted by tit_for_tat, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 1:25:21 AM
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Tit 4 tat,

Although you quoted a Wahhabi scholar (Bin Baz) if you refer to alazhar references re the prophet’s wives and how he married them, is a different one again.

The prophet was in a monogamous relation from the age of 25 till after the revelation.
Given the known history of Islam and persecution of Muslims, the prophet was preaching the message for the following 13 years. As Muslims we see it as follows:

- He married his wives in the last 10 years of his age (ie 53 to 63).
- Many of the marriages were with older women (widows of war) and some of his wives were the least regarded on the scale of good looks.
- Inter-marriage with two Jewish wives and one Christian (Maria, the mother of his only son Ibrahim). The Jewish marriage was post war with a Jewish tribe and caused all Muslims to release their Jewish prisoners.

Regardless, polygamy is not related to prophethood and judging historical events should be within the time and cultural constraints of the time. For us he is the last prophet and the Qu’ran is God’s word.

PS: there is a number of references on Aisha age so I am not going to dwell on these but Arabs, Jews and other tribes used to consider puberty as the age of consent. Believe what you want to believe I guess

PS: I noticed you did a ‘copy & paste’ of your comment on different topics.
Posted by Fellow_Human, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 9:25:32 AM
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Tit 4 Tat the history of a superstition is irrelevant. Misogyny is a threat to women. Nothing about Mohammed can ever justify what Hilali said and there is no justification to harm women as Hilali did by his words. There is no God to justify the perversion that Hilali demonstrated. Every word uttered in the name of a god is a claim by that person to be that god.That is the nature of the megalomania that the belief in a god is.

The insanity is the believer’s problem, not societies; the believer chooses to believe in a god despite all reason, rationality, logic and reality. It is a crime against nature to allow ones belief in a god to touch non believers. Hilali has allowed his superstition leave the confines of his scull and affect others, for this he is shameful.

Forget God, forget the Quran, forget Mohammed, they are all utterly meaningless in the real world. The reality is Hilali demonstrated his perversion and he has harmed women with his words. Clearly Hilali’s and his supporters have barbaric ideas which have no place in civilisation; he should leave and never return.
Posted by West, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:36:51 AM
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