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Promised land a hollow promise : Comments

By Greg Barns, published 25/7/2006

Israel has lost its direction as a nation.

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Ah Tao, it is gratifying to see that you’re catching on…
With all the talk about the bad Zionists, people are missing half the story.

You see, there are Arab & Turkish equivalents to "Zionism".
Turks were not the original inhabitants of Turkey, nor more recently, Nth Cyprus.And they have since been doing their darnest to make it a Turks ONLY domain.
www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/051219ta_talk_pamuk

And the “Iraqi” Arabs stole (& are still currently stealing) land from the earlier Turkamen, Assyrians & Kurds, & are seeking to extinguish their identity.

And the “Egyptian” Arabs sidelined and out bred the original Coptic inhabitants of Egypt.

And Sudan, well, we all should know what’s happening there.

But I guess there are lots of brownie points to be gained from going with the flow and heaping scorn on the one Zionism we all know.
Posted by Horus, Sunday, 13 August 2006 7:38:20 AM
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Horus

Why are you (like Col Rouge) so vehemently against working towards peaceful settlement.

Reading your posts, the only conclusion I can reach is that you will justify war and conflict in a vain effort to score your 'brownie points'.

If you wished to justify Israel's defence, then why didn't Israel attack Syria - after all it is Syria which has been supporting Hezbollah?. I don't really expect a cogent response from the likes of you. You are too eager to attack any who wish to look towards peace.

As with Col I suppose you just like to think you can win at all and any costs. Sad.
Posted by Scout, Sunday, 13 August 2006 9:08:16 AM
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Scout, why didn't Israel attack Syria?

and why not Bolivia?

Neither Bolivia nor Syria attacked Israel.
Syria and Israel have a disengagement agreement since 1974, which is being strictly kept.

Israel does not attack anyone - Israel only defends itself.

and Israel did not attack Lebanon either - Israel only defends itself from Iranian terrorists which unfortunately hide behind Lebanese civilians and launch deadly missiles from their homes.

Besides, the main offender is Iran, not Syria, so a war on Syria means a direct war on Iran and I don't think Israel is able stop Iran on its own by conventional means.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 13 August 2006 12:28:13 PM
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Yuyutsu says....Scout, why didn't Israel attack Syria? .... and why not Bolivia?

Bolivia .... Where the hell is Bolivia in this war? Oh yes - they threw out Bechtell for screwing their water system up and charging spurious rates for doing what they usually do - bugger all except for graft and corruption!!

You really scrape the bottom of your barrel of Pathos there Yuyutsu - and you really should stop playing with yourself - or you will go blind my friend!!

The reason why the Jews will not attack Syria .. or Iran for that matter is because they are craven, gutless cowards - forever hiding behind the so called "holocaust" and garnering the enforced media orchestrated sympathy votes .......

It is in the same category as to why the yanks attacked Afghanistan because of their own orchestrated 9/11 attack - where the alleged pilots were either Saudi or Egyptian nationals - and like the craven Zionist Jews - they could not - and would not attack anyone who might possible fight back against them ... they learned that lesson when they licked their way out of a massive defeat in Vietnam and even after a massive blockade of Cuba - they are still gutless and afraid to attack there...

Real brave fighters..... Wonder if you want fries with that - or maybe several flavours of ice cream ........... ?
Posted by Kekenidika, Sunday, 13 August 2006 2:46:40 PM
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‘Sad’ Scout
I noticed you side stepped my point about the cause(s) of terrorism having more to do with the one-sided portrayal of events/history than the existence of "injustice". (Now with a side-step like that I bet you played rugby in your younger days.)

If you genuinely want peace, you could lay some sound foundations by breaking down the one-eyed, my side right all the time mindset of many of the middle eastern contenders ( & their fellow travelers in the west).

A genuinely self critical Arab/Iranian media & academia would be a great cornerstone.
Posted by Horus, Sunday, 13 August 2006 4:02:11 PM
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I have no idea why Kekenidika so much hates the Syrian people.

There is a story:
An American, a British and an Israeli were captured by a cannibal tribe and were offered one last wish before being cooked. The American asked for and got a big steak. The British asked for and got his favourite beer. The Israeli asked for the biggest and toughest native to kick him strongly on his backside. He was asked again and again whether he's sure, but the Israeli insisted. When that native kicked him, he pulled out an Uzi and sparyed all the men of that tribe. The surprised American and British wondered: "if you had that Uzi, why did you not save us earlier", to which the Israeli replied: "I must not be seen as the unprovoked aggressor".

So Kekenidika, I understand your desire to see Syria wiped out, with its civilians killed so you can cry foul blaming Israel over them, but sorry, it is not going to happen because Israel never attacks unless provoked, and Israel keeps its agreements, and the Syrians, knowing this too well, will not provoke Israel either as they have not done in 32 years. Unlike Hezbullah, the Syrian regime and majority is secular, and prefer this earthly life over obtaining 72 virgins in heaven.

Do not attempt to draw hasty conclusions comparing the clumsy and unmotivated American army that fights offshore with Israel's best trained army that fights desparately defending its home.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 13 August 2006 5:23:06 PM
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