Dear Col, with whom I usually agree :)

Just a little point mate... you mentioned "start from today and move on"

Then you mentioned the Battle of the Boyne.

Lets look at what that was about and see a few things.

"the war was fought for Irish sovereignty, religious toleration for Catholicism and land ownership. The Catholic upper classes had lost almost all their lands after Cromwell's conquest, as well as the right to hold public office, practice their religion and sit in the Irish Parliament."

In some ways similar to the Palestinian situation, BUT contrary to the Palestinian issue, there is no history where the IRISH TOOK the land from someone else (that I know of) Israel was STOLEN from the Jews by the Romans.

So, regarding the IRISH, I say 'start from today, look at the injustice and WRITE A NEW CHAPTER of history, addressing those injustices' !

I say the same thing about Israel, ADDRESSING HISTORY and the crime of mass exile by the Romans. The Palestinians are unfortunately in the middle of fixing this mistake/crime of history against the Jews, and in my view, should be re-located to a peaceful place, and compensated.

The Israelis are simply 'starting from today and writing a new chapter'. If they have the 'might' to do it, good for them. If not, then a different chapter will be written.

I look at the 'now' of Melbourne, and ask myself "Can I be part of writing a new chapter" ? When a pack of leftist lunatics march down from the State Library to Liberal party headquarters condemning Israel, (Saturday at 1.00pm) can I hijack their march by marching at the front with a sign condemning PLO genocides ? Can I give out information about the sins of Mohamed (and remain unhospitalized :) ?
I don't want to be an 'armchair' warrior 4eva. Perhaps this is the cost of leaving the Armchair. .....thinking.

Oh thank you Col Rouge for ignoring my post … obviously you feel quite uncomfortable, but I can understand you feeling that way…..

It is a fairly common tactic of the ignorami (please note the plural, because I know that you are too ignorant to be just one person) to deliberately misuse a name – but coming from you, one could expect no less – but do not fret, I will get over your barbs.

However, it would be remiss of me to not highlight your somewhat abysmal reading of history in relation of the impoverishment placed on Germany post WW1 and the underlying causes leading up to WW11. But then again it does not really take a degree in rocket science to realize that when you are bullied and cajoled – then what would you do? Roll over and take your whipping like a good little boy – or strike out…?

And to Yuyutsu ….

>Do you still not understand why you hate the Syrian people that much?

If Israel attacks Syria as Scout suggested first and you supported, there will be no Syria left, so why are you so eager to see them dead?<

I am still very confused here still!

To me, the Jews are very much as the Yanks – all talk and bluster, but not much bravery, as shown when they attacked Afghanistan for the alleged involvement in the 9/11 attacks – then invented the WMD excuses for invading Iraq – remember that?

Of course you had to bring in Bolivia for some unknown reason (you do not share a brain with Bush by any chance do you?) as one of the combatants – or were you just plucking straws out of the wind perhaps?

Of course if the Jews did attack Syria, then they might actually find themselves in really deep and instead of having to fight poorly trained and poorly supplied fighters – they might be up an army that could really fight back against an army that targets women and children with laser guided pin point accuracy like the Jews?

Yeah right!

David BOAZ –re the battle of the Boyne, some folk hang on to the past when they would be better off moving on (be they Protestant Orange men or Catholic IRA).

The point is, be it the Irish or Australian Aboriginals or Palestinians, continually lingering for supposed words of “Sorry” and seeking restitution for supposed past deeds done to previous generations is like the behaviour of emotional cripples.
When significant parts of communities use it as an excuse for war (as the IRA and PLO) then it is a recipe for disaster. I note, others in the same communities have always had the strength of character to do as I suggest and move on, unfortunately it seems, never in such numbers as to drag their kinsmen along with then.

It is like the Belgians seeking reparations from England and France for the disruption caused by Waterloo (to say nothing of Agincourt).

I wonder which part of “not worthy” does keke not comprehend?

Well Kekenidika,

your mind is confused because you cannot distinguish between Israel and the USA.

I must agree with you that the yanks are poor and clumsy fighters, but I did not even mention them (and frankly, I do not particularly care, know or have any strong views about American topics).

Israel is an independent country. Unfortunately, Israel was never too popular because the world tends to favour the oil-rich Arabs: some 50 years ago Israel had only France and the Soviet Union as allies, then it had only Iran (under the Shah) and South Africa, and today it happens to have the Americans as supporters, as well as the UK, Australia and Micronesia. Israel always survived, with or without friends, but whoever it is that supports it - that's very nice indeed, thank you, yet Israel does not serve anyone, it only tries to survive.

Bolivia was just a random example: instead I could have named any of about 200 other countries that did not attack Israel recently.

Israel has previously defeated the Syrian army 3 times and it would do so again if necessary... but why? who needs all this bloodshed? this whole silly discussion started by Scout strangely suggesting that Israel should attack Syria, to which I do not agree.

I strongly object to your false and ridiculous claim as if Israel ever deliberately targeted civilians. Accidents happen in war: for example, during yesterday's fighting an Israeli tank reversed and ran over 4 Israeli soldiers, killing 2 and severely wounding the other 2 - does it mean that Israel targeted its own soldiers?

Awesome article Greg. Bloody brilliant :D

Ignore the majority of the posts on here. They only serve to prove your point further.

I've given up on arguing with the usual. They're too brainwashed and indoctrinated to learn any differently.

Just like the children of Nazi Germany, they are keen to blame the Muslims for the looming World war 3. They are keen to blame the Muslims for everything but nobody buys it. The world is on our side thank goodness.

Fleurette

Your post is a breath of fresh air.

I know it is futile to attempt to reason with armchair warmongers, I just hope that my calls for negotiation for peace will resonate with the many others who read these forums and wish to see that there are those who hope for a more peaceful world.

I find it almost amusing that those who so glibly claim that continued violence will bring about peace are those who sit comfortably ensconced in their cosy homes, secure in the knowledge that they are unlikely to be blown out of their homes for being in the proximity of an 'enemy' as the people of Lebanon have had to endure.

I also notice that these same warmongers are incapable of explaining why the continual conflict in the ME has not yet achieved peace - isn't 50 years long enough? At present all we have is a very uneasy ceasefire - hardly peace and neither side is talking to each other, as they are too busy claiming victory over each other! Little children all.