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By Irfan Yusuf, published 29/6/2006How easy it is for lies and propaganda to be used as a pretext for war.
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Posted by Alan Grey, Friday, 30 June 2006 9:54:18 AM
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For those with a teeny-weeny memory span:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13600653/site/newsweek I am getting so tired of pointing out that the nameplate on the war machine says MADE IN THE USA. Posted by Chris Shaw, Carisbrook 3464, Friday, 30 June 2006 11:05:58 AM
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Good article Irfan,
You touched on an interesting point of Saladin History. Saladin philosophy of liberating Jerusalem was a secular non religious one. He basically defended residents of Palestine (Muslims, Jews and Christians) from the French mercenaries as he called them. Saladin never distinguished between people religions. Alan Grey, You talk about 'supporting the war' in Iraq as if its a soccer game! There are many ways to overthrow a dictator but invasion of cities is not and should not be one of them. Since the 1950's the US developed good expertise in supporting and overthrowing dictators in the Middle East. No one can argue that Saddam had to go but not at the price tag of destruction of the country and thousands of civilian casualties. Only people who lack vision can see the world through the 'pro' and 'anti' blinkers. Posted by Fellow_Human, Friday, 30 June 2006 11:24:06 AM
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Alan grey, you may think that myself and others are anti-american, knee-jerk anti-establishments types who need a hobby but you are wrong.
You have been seriously misled , and maybe its just easier for you to remain this way. But I am young, and I am concerned for my future and the future of my country. I am worried about the implications of Australia (and especially the US) waking up one day and realising that they have been duped, that there blood has been sacrificed for imperial wars of agression. America will wake up wondering how their government fell into the hands of a right-wing extremist group currently known as Project for the new American Century and they will rebel, and once again the lights will go out, not over Europe, but over the whole world. But while ever people like you remain in their slumber nothing will change, the wheels will continue to turn towards totalitarinism, not in the traditional sense, but the freedoms we once cherished will be a dim memory. Posted by Carl, Friday, 30 June 2006 11:30:24 AM
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@Carl You are right to fear that "the freedoms we once cherished will be a dim memory" but other the right-wing extremists are the religously insane muslims setting the agenda which is forcing all-concerned to jettison compassion and civility in what will become a global battle. Look at the videos of people having their heads hacked off with blunt knives and listen to the creeps chanting allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar in the background like they are having an evil orgasm. The fiction that there is just a small percentage of extremists is misleading because Islam is an all encompassing concept perfectly suited to the totalitarianism you seem to fear most. What you think, how and when you pray (sic), what you eat, what you wear, how long your beard is, and who you hate. Go and live in an islamic country for a while and you may wake up,to yourself.
Posted by citizen, Friday, 30 June 2006 2:02:21 PM
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Ah Carl....your line about 'imperial wars of agression [sic]' is a dead give away. More socialist propaganda probably passed onto you by leftist material.
I haven't been mislead. Unfortunately, you seem to simply ignore evidence that contradicts your somewhat slanted worldview. This is why you fail to realise the only end to a socialist leftist 'progressive' agenda is totalitarianism. But take comfort, that will never happen because your softheaded nonsense will allow others to take country of our nations well before that end. Posted by Alan Grey, Friday, 30 June 2006 2:14:46 PM
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"Supporters of the war with Iraq told us the Iraqis were conspiring with al-Qaida and were hiding weapons of mass destruction. Subsequently, we all learned these alleged "facts" used to justify the invasion of Iraq were lies."
Both of these have now been vindicated. Over 500 Chemical shells have been found (although degraded they are still harmful) and there are proven links to Al Qaida. But even if these had not been proven, it does not show that these claims were lies.
"We were also told the Coalition of the Killing would establish order and restore resources to Iraqis. Yet in the five months since a Shiite Muslim shrine was destroyed, more than 25,000 Iraqis have died in sectarian violence."
"Coalition of the Killing"? I'm sorry Irfan, but this is laughable tripe. Can't you even try and pretend to not be a moonbat? No-one said that the rebuilding process would be swift or easy. Serious progress has been made, but obviously more progress is needed.
My real prediction is that you never supported the war in iraq. That it didn't matter to you whether there were ties to Al-qeada or WMD and banned weapons and programs. That it didn't matter to you how brutal Saddam was. All this talk of objecting to being mislead is just a smokescreen for your own moonbattery.
Lies and Propaganda? Have you been reading your own stuff again?