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Give ‘babe’ some wriggle room : Comments

By Mirko Bagaric, published 9/5/2006

We are camped somewhere near the base of the moral mountain when it comes to pig farming.

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Yabby PF
Good Name.
Excuse me PF may I ask you this question. If you were to be invited to have input as a stake holder on the NCCAW board would you consider it?
Its an awful lot of work to just go on a web page. What I mean by that is this is too good not to be promoted properly. Magazines tv newspapers and free range pork rallies. I dont want to upset you PF so I will just pretend I am speaking of somebody else.
If 'that' farmer because a household name and was heavily promoted as Brand x[ free range] the public would ask for it.

From there Yabby perhaps or somebody could act as a consultant along with 'the farmer' to assist people learning to free range farm and find suitable properties.
An Agriculture Educational free Range Farm Stay could be established near that farmer later. I think that farmer would need to be engaged [and paid] as a consultant by Animal Welfare organisations. Other wise the industry might say that farmer was just doing it to promote 'their own farm or something.'

Then the farmer could attend seminars arranged by Animal Welfare organisations Australia wide as a quest speaker. Accomadation and a fee would be paid the same as any other consultant and it would be a great way to promote the book.




I have left something for you Yabby on the car park you wont like on live exports.

I hope you get involved as an adviser of something.[ I mean where to buy properties when assisting city slickers ]
I guess they would require some training. I wonder if you could set up a training farm stay somewhere.
Yabby its a lot for any farmer to think about but I know people who would help establish a Free Range Ag school down the track.

The main thing would be the farmer would have to have a lot of support. It would be too much just to say great idea go promote your book.

Goodnight everybody
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 16 November 2006 11:01:23 PM
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PF

Yes Ive had pigs as pets and you are so right when you say they have very expressive eyes.They are such good little mates.

It would be tough to part with them and its easy to see you love your pigs, even in spite of the fact you produce them for market.
Posted by holyshadow, Friday, 17 November 2006 12:27:29 AM
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For Yabby and PF

http://www.ausindustry.gov.au/

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=38820

There is a large interest in Australians' Free Range Farms from overseas.

Students wishing to travel to Australia to study English and a subject often in the past have requested English and farming agriculture[in particular free Range farming.

Just food for thought down the track.

Looks like PACAT are giving WA a touch up on the Live exports Yabby.
PACAT had a wonderful lady Trish Brown years ago
I am unsure where she is at present although I did see that name on RSPCA board somwhere.
Its to be hoped it is the same lady. She would love! yours and PFs book idea.

She has great knowlege in the meat industry and has in the past called for reopening and building new plants to slaughter in Australia.

She was also a big fan of free range farms and I hope you and PF can meet her sometime.

To be helpful to animals we must support the farmers.

Australian farmers are the backbone of this country.
Has anybody done a email Christmass Cards to Woolworths and the big stores to sent out to the public?
Something like I wish as a member of the Australian public wish you a Merry Christmass and request you only supply Free Range Pork to your customers.
I am sure you agree as a supplier of this Industry you have a duty and a reasonsibilty to ensuring your supply comes from humane Practises.

I should think a few million emails from the public might help to sway these giant suppliers to support Free Range Farmers.

No reason they could not promote the method of 'the farmer writing the book by having it at all check outs .

I wont post anymore great ideas because its a great deal to consider.

I am happy to donate those funds whenever requested however it will require other groups such as AA to also support it.

I would like to know if PF would consider the advisory position on NCCAW


Antje
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Friday, 17 November 2006 6:44:07 AM
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antje I am not familiar with NCCAW. Could you briefly explain or post a link? Thanks for the ausindustry link - which area should I being looking in?

I am very interested in helping small farmers get started in free range farming. This place is a 24/7 job however and I dont get away much. I do invite visits to the farm to see how we do things and dispell the fear that pigs are dangerous if they are not penned. They can cause harm, but with understanding the nature of the animal, that can be avoided.

I have been mulling over a few ideas in the book line and thought of interviewing some of the old timers in the area that used to farm pigs free range before the whole intensive idea got started. It would be good to have more than just my ideas as i see free range as a system that incorporates the care of my land and the environment as well. ?

This thread is a bit annoying with its 2 post limit, anyone have ideas for another in the general comment area?
Posted by PF, Friday, 17 November 2006 12:20:14 PM
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Well I for one, certainly wish PF well, if she decides to take
on the free range pig farming book project. I believe that she has
the intelligence,aptitude and care for animals, to do it well,
if she decides to go ahead with it.

I certainly think that she could make a difference for free range
pig farming. Its pointless people going to Woolies to ask for
free range pork, if its not being produced. Good information
is a critical part of that and I know of no good sources, easily
available to those who might consider it.

Antje, regards the live sheep trade, I've read Cindy's comments,
but I am getting tired of repeating myself on OLO. I've had
plenty to say so far, if you read my many posts :)

Yes, it seems that Pacat got a grant from Voiceless, so they
put up some posters, made some noise, but its all like a broken
record, or like the Hare Krishna chanting down in Fremantle.

Thats all great for armchair animal libbers wanting to feel better,
but its not going to make a scrap of difference.

Fact is nobody is putting up any real, concrete solutions. Just
telling Govts to "do something", achieves nothing. I have heard
of no concrete, realistic proposals from Andrew Bartlett either.

Fact is that WA is booming, the mining industry is sucking up
all excess workers, meatworks simply cannot get staff. When they
try to bring them in from overseas, Govt red tape stops them.

All these armchair animal libbers might mean well, but it seems
to me that they don't have a clue about the reality of the situation
here in WA.

Cindy, where are all these workers? Do you have a few hundred up
your sleeve there? Fact is that meatworks can't cope now, let alone
without live sheep ships to move another 3 million.

The reality is that sheep would die in the paddocks without the
live sheep trade. No animal libber group has put forward a
solution to solve this, just more chanting, just like the
Hare Krishnas...
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 17 November 2006 3:15:50 PM
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Antje, wonderful idea; I was just about to start writing my Christmas cards and will surely hand a few to the managers of the supermarkets and butchers in my area.
Yabby, even if it looks pointless at this stage, perhaps FR pork is not being produced enough because people do not ask for it. It would perhaps be financially risky for a battery farmer to convert to FR if there’s no demand.
If a farmer thinks about converting, perhaps one of the first things s/he would want to know is whether there is a demand for FR pork.

Oink, oink, PF, great that you are gathering some ideas for the planning of your book. I like your idea of interviews with old timers- you and them working together will produce a sea of knowledge that otherwise would be wasted.

I did some googling and came across a link you may find interesting and may also help you get some ideas for the layout etc. If you don’t already know about it, it’s site showing a book on FR pig farming which you can download at no cost from CIWF (Compassion in World Farming).
http://www.ciwf.org.uk/education/gapresources.html
I hope the link works.

The idea of starting a new thread just on the subject of FR pig farming is a good one- perhaps simply called: “Free Range Pig Farming”.

Perhaps we could transport the most valid information written on this Babe thread to the new general discussion so that it is not lost or needed to be repeated. I won’t mind using my posts for that transfer because you farmers and experts on the matter have much more to discuss and info to offer than I can. Just let me know what you want to have transferred.

I’d also like to suggest to type out the full meaning of any new abbreviations e.g. when a new organisation is introduced to make it more friendly and easier to understand for new people joining in.
Posted by Celivia, Friday, 17 November 2006 9:57:13 PM
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