It would seem Farmer, that Yabby is targeting you believing you to be someone else who he has obviously been instruemental in having banned.Well that should make him proud.

After a read around it would seem that he makes a lot of assumptions and assertions based on nothing other than his misguided predjudice.

This person he mistakes you for, he obviously has made assumptions about her to .

Best just to ignore..he's bored.

This forum is struggling, has almost come to a standstill..nothing to entice new posters in, and then you have 'assets' like Yabby who try to drive away the odd person who dares puts their head in.Its clear new blood and or ideas are not welcome.

Stagnation seems to be the preferred state.

Hello Holly
You must think me rude to ignore you. I do apoligise its just hard when you only get so many words and you get side tracked all the time.
For a while when Celiva was posting good ideas and everybody was chipping in I thought we may actually be going to do something united for animals.

Yes all the new ones dont stick around for too long. i am happy to do anything towards working to help farmers and support free range farmers.
Trouble is all everybody wishes to do is swap insults.

If it keeps up I will stop posting myself

Holly sorry its not more cheerful but for what its worth I am really sorry the threads have been reduced to nothing.

PeopleAgainstLiveExports,

I was talking about the whole of OLO.

It would seem that on every thread there is just no momentum, the reference wasnt just to this thread.

That is why I suppose, I see a certain poster making the problem even worse and I wonder where his thinking is at.At this rate he'll have noone to talk to..so when I say the forum is suffering thats what I was reffering to.

I would advise just keep going..if you see a new name make them feel welcome and speak out if they are being harrassed.

Holy
Perhaps your right. I dont get time to go into all the other threads
I do this normally in a stollen moment or the early hours of a morning in my own time. I was speaking only on what I know. I know there was about five people that are no longer posting and I also know why. I thought I would try to keep something going for the animals sake and them as well after all their efforts.
As I said for a while there on this thread I really thought we may have been able to get something happening to commence a fanchise arrangment of free range farmers working with PF and supporting the book.
Celivias idea of a public trust was good as well.
I cant do much more than offer to help Holly
Its all rather sad.
Not only for the animals but for a few good free range farmers as well
Antj

"I really thought we may have been able to get something happening to commence a fanchise arrangment of free range farmers working with PF and supporting the book"

Now that comment is sad. Why do you feel that nothing can happen unless pale takes control? I have made it clear in the past, I will have no affiliation with your group. I appreciate that we are on the same side, and appreciate also your suggestions, but as far as a 'franchise arrangement' no way in hell. My farm is independant and will stay that way.

I would like to make it clear that there has never been any talk of a franchise and would appreciate it pale if you would refrain from from inferring such things.

There are many, many ways to work towards animal welfare without being attached to a group. I feel I do far more to better the lives of farm animals than anyone sitting around at a desk thinking up 'meetings'.

Hi all
I've been away from this one for a while, so I don't really understand what, if anything has transpired between PALE and PF, but I didn't think that there was any sort of a business relationship in place.
PF, hang in there and keep doing what you are doing, you are to be admired very much - for what you are doing for your animals as well as for the invaluable information (to me especially) you have provided here
I got my "pig pledge" msterial from Animals Australia, and it is extremely impressive. I'm going to get some more of the supermarket cards (I can't really use the restaurant ones, because I never eat out - but my colleagues are going to take care of those), because I can go to a number of supermarkets with them, and now (better informed as I am) I can actually talk to the managers there about this.
PF, at the end of the day - if I tried to keep my dogs like pigs are kept in intensive farms, I would be prosecuteed. Have you any data on the percentage of pigs kept this way?
Also - I read that APL stuff, and you are quite correct. But they also say that animal advocates are training with foreign terrorist groups like Al Quaeda, so maybe they are running scared.
All the very best,
Nicky