To RObert.

Outlaw bikie gangs make no secret of their anti social cultural values. Muslims make no secrets of their cultural values either. These Muslim values are obviously inimical to the well being of the Australian people. For instance, Muslims believe that people who have sex outside of marriage should be stoned to death. I am a person who has had sex outside of marriage. Could you please explain to me why I should allow people into my country who wish to stone me to death?

If you claim that only an insignificant minority fundamentalist Muslims believe this, then on what information (other than wishful thinking) do you base your claim on? To the best of my knowledge, all Muslims believe that Sharia Law is the literal word of God, and God must be obeyed.

I am only scratching the surface of the values, attitudes and beliefs which Muslims have, which are fundamentally incompatible with Western secular thought. How about the Muslim belief that apostates must be put to death? Do you really want people to immigrate to YOUR country who are so intolerant that they actually believe that any Muslim who embraces another religion must be murdered?

Once again, if you think that it is only an insignificant minority of Muslims who believe that, upon what information do you hold that view?

Any social group which openly endorses the murder of people who do not believe in what they believe, is more dangerous and psychotic as the most immature and socially inept biker gang. At least biker gangs usually limit their violence between themselves; Muslims declare war on all non Muslims. A recent article on Saudi Arabia in “TIME” magazine informed it’s readers that in Saudi schoolbooks, there are articles which say to their children “all infidels are your enemies.” Guess who’s money built the Auburn Mosque?

Fortunately, Australia does not have 300,000 badass bikers in Australia fermenting rapes, drive by shootings, civil strife, “honour killings, terrorism and drug trafficking. Instead we have 300,000 Muslims. Personally, I would feel safer with the 300,000 bikers

Wibble.A lot of crime,even assaults go unreported because police don't have the numbers,get bogged down in red tape and don't address many complaints.Many people just give up in frustration.Most rapes for example go unreported.Unless someone presses charges the crime does not go in the stats.Police often advise people not to press charges because the offenders are under age and the judge will let them off.This happened to my son a few years ago.

Nothing this Iemma Govt tells us can be believed.I can manipulate stats to tell story I please and Govts are more adept than I at this deception.The devil is always in the detail; i.e. how stats are compiled and what criteria is used to interpret them.

To RObert

I do not even need to draw conclusions from a "reasonable asumption", I can make predictions based upon indisputable fact.

The indisputable fact is that any country at all, who has a significant minority of Muslims within it's population has got real trouble. No other religious or ethnic group comes even close to creating the degree of civil strife that Muslims create, wherever they are.

This civil strife includes high levels of welfare dependency with the accompanying high rates of serous criminal beahviour, demands for Sharia Law, race riots, intimidation of non Muslims, race riots, demands for Separatism and civil war. If people like myself rely heavily on aneccdotal evidence to confirm our views that exactly the same thing is happening in Australia, it is because Australians are not being told the truth about the impact of Islam on Australian society.

I know that the Australian Bureaux of Statistics has published one article "Prisoners in Australia" which lists incarcerated criminals by "country of birth", this is the only official publication which directly confirms the widely held view in Australia that certain ethnicities are very disproportionately represented in serious criminal behaviour.

This is because the various ethnic representatives lobbied the Federal Government to stop the ABS from collating or analysing statistics relating to ethnic related crime. Denied the truth from our own government sources, the public either gets their information from the newspapers every day and draws their own conclusions from the plethora of serious criminal incidents associated within notorious ethnic ghettoes, and combines that information with first hand accounts from trusted friends and relations who have experienced violent intimidation from those particualr notorious ethnic and religious groups.

The bottom line is, that some groups are simply too dangerous and too disruptive to be considered likely candidates for immigration into this country. In Australia, the welfare of Australians is the primary consideration, not being "fair" to notoriously difficult immigrant groups.

Well said Redneck

Rob. Lived in four different countries, observed mossies first hand in many European countries. Different origins but same behaviour.

Would much rather have 300000 bikers any day.

Islam is a real problem in Europe, and it will grow as a greater problem in Australia as they pressure us to unite with Indonesia.

"The director of the group Jihad Watch says things have gotten so bad in Europe that the only solution to the Islamic problem might be to divide the continent into Muslim and non-Muslim enclaves. Much has been made of the growing Muslim presence in Europe. According to 2005 statistics, roughly 10 percent of the population in France is Muslim -- percentages in Bulgaria and Russia, says IslamicPopulation.com, are even higher (12 and 19 percent, respectively). And in Southern Europe, there are considerably higher percentages in Macedonia (30), Bosnia Herzegovina (60), and Albania (70). By comparison, estimates place the Muslim presence in the United States at around two percent of the population.."

At: <http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1384188.html?view=print>

Fellow posters,

Whats 'real' and whats not comes down to how each and every individual practices. In the very same period Hitler & Mother Theresa each believed what they are doing is 'real' Christianity.

In today's Islamic world: Iranian president with Nuclear ambition believe its 'real practice, while Dr Mohamed el Baradei believes that stopping him is 'real' practice.

There are Orthodox jews who follow the commandments and follow the 'shall not kill' even on a cockroach and others who are OK with shooting a 10 year old girl.

Whats a real practice comes down to the individual whether they are good or bad. Religions and beliefs can only mirror what the individual is on the inside. There are violent Buddhists!

We can go on forever but you get the picture.