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A Lebanese 'problem'? : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 15/12/2005

Tanveer Ahmed argues there is a specific segment of the Lebanese community in Sydney causing the unrest.

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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

It's difficult to improve on the erudite and observant Churchill, no?
Posted by Viking, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 7:56:10 PM
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In my usual larconic way. I'd drawl with a wry smile... 'Then Churchill was a racist'... All the leftie and multi culturalist Aussies would cheer and applaud... all the seriously deficient Aussies would agree ... all true Aussies would ... laugh.
Posted by keith, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 4:19:19 PM
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BOAZ-David,

16 December.."despicable". The last time I heard that word it came out of the mouth of Daffy Duck.

You started your post in a rational manner however by the end of it you were I think quite emotional.

I'll stop being offensive if you stop using words like "despicable".

I am being serious.

CHEERS..FRIEDRICH
Posted by FRIEDRICH, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 5:59:46 PM
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I was just thinking and thought that maybe it really isn't racism that we are seeing, maybe it is really just malice, spite and hate!

Racism is a feeling of superiority, it doesn't necessarily include violence.

Did you know that you are permitted by law to discriminate against someone out of malice, spite and hate?

Maybe thats why those in Power appear unwilling and/or unable to do anything about the problems in the behaviour that we are seeing.

Maybe we need to take a good look at our Laws!
Posted by Jolanda, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 8:46:00 PM
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Freidrich,
I think you misunderstood my post where u referred to 'despicable'... I was actually addressing the post put by 'REASON' the contributor...not saying 'for reasons sake' in regard to your post.

I was saying that 'his' approach is despicable, not urs. Yours, I think is a bit misguided if you hold a 'racial purity/supremacy' position, but you will need to clarify that if u don't mind.

I feel sad that so much passion in the 'white surpemacist' camp is being wasted because it lacks moral authority and biological basis.
It's also likely to totally alienate the vast majority of the community from their cause.

If they can get rid of any notion of 'racial supremacy' and focus more on 'prevailing anglo culture' and emphasise our being able to 'control and manage' our immigration, settler location, and numbers from particular races/places/tribes/religions such that our social cohesian, cultural solidarity and political stability are protected, they would probably have a much bigger support base.

Take care.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 10:04:47 PM
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Scout: You are right when you say that "The arrant nonsense that tries to pass itself off as cogent debate is awe-inspiring in its dearth of reason".

It echoes a school playground rejection of people who are different -- and no doubt it is also manifest in the mindsets of some of the non-Anglo-Celtic hoons who, if one is to believe the likes of BOAZ_David (Heaven forfend if I'm elevating him by acknowledgement), might well have been behaving badly in parts of Sydney. I am quite prepared to accept that pathetic racist actions have come from both sides. I was not at Cronulla last week (BOAZ_David sounds like he might have been, was he?) so I don't know what happened.

However, I do wish that these people who are so fired up and sure of their superiority would prove their mettle. I challenge them to exchange home visits with their antagonists. Do they have the courage to break bread with the "mossies" and "lebs" they so despise? Or is this all piss and wind, the carping of cowards and bullies? It takes courage to break out of the mould, to find solutions other than screaming and boyish vilification. I have in common with the purported anti-violence brigade here a dislike of brutality, but unlike them, it seems, I propose peaceful pursuits on both sides. Like many, I'm sure, I've waited in vain for them to offer such intelligent responses. Piss, wind, and no concept of compassion or the power of imagination. What do you want, more war in this poor world? God help us.

Let the ones who don't wish to be called racists and aggro's prove their stuff and discard this antagonism for something truly brave -- reconciliation. Now, that would take guts. Aussie guts, ye sons of Anzac. We want to see brave people breaking the chain of hatred, not armchair keyboardists and windbags trying to perpetuate it so their own wee-wees seem greater than their ability to construct sentences.
Posted by Almanac, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 11:19:14 PM
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