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A Lebanese 'problem'? : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 15/12/2005

Tanveer Ahmed argues there is a specific segment of the Lebanese community in Sydney causing the unrest.

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Complexity: Man, we've been counting to twenty for years, turning a blind eye to the loutish behaviour of some elements of Lebanese youth.
What good has that done us? It only continues and worsens. The thugs see us as chickens.

I agree with BOAZ, that it is primarily a law and order issue. If the police and the judiciary had been doing there jobs over the years, the thugs would be behind bars considering what they had done and the mainly good citizens of Cronulla would not have felt the need to protest about the bad behaviour and degradation that had been imposed on them for the last 10 years.

The police have simply no idea as to how to handle these menaces and even if they did, the judiciary has been going soft on them, letting them off with warnings, soft weekend detention or community service type sentences which most of them fail to attend - without punishment.

The govt, the police and the judiciary ALL need to get tough on anti social behaviour from all quarters.
Posted by Give 'em enough rope, Monday, 19 December 2005 10:25:49 AM
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Law and Order is a nice cliché especially around election time (or in case of NSW new leadership)

How can anyone legislate against ATTITUDE or THOUGHTS?

The anti-social behaviour we have been witnessing for years and years is the outward manifestation of deep rooted vile mentalities.

The problem is compounded when dealing with “islam” which comes packaged in its own set of uncompromisable values and beliefs.

That special "package" cannot integrate into any un-islamic society.

As long as we keep looking at the symptoms not the source of the problem - we can't expect long lasting solutions.

As mohammed's post warned: you ain't seen nothing yet.
Posted by coach, Monday, 19 December 2005 11:06:42 AM
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Thanks Meredith,

I visited that blog and came across this very confronting photo and article from Sweden.
More muslims in Sweden means that if these Swedish girls don't start wearing burkas they'll have to leave the country.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_in_sweden/
Posted by minuet, Monday, 19 December 2005 1:32:29 PM
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What racist people should consider is that when the rest of us read their comments about how badly they have been treated by "Lebs" and "mossies", the automatic assumption is that the racist ones bring it on themselves by using insulting epithets. It's not rocket science. They should also put two and two together and work out that the reason the rest of us aren't having all these problems with people they seem to hate, is because we don't come to them with racist fear and loathing, we treat them as fellow human beings, and it's generally reciprocated. I'm sure this is why I and many of my friends have great relationships with people from many cultures. It just never occurred to us to sling off at them.

I have no problem asserting here that it's only "Aussies" (whatever racists mean by that term) who have ever caused violence on me or my friends, and I'm a blue-eyed Sydneysider born and bred -- been bashed many times just walking down streets in different towns, and always by my own "tribe". We guys are are far more afraid of "Aussie" footballers in and around pubs than any ethnic bogeymen you guys want to scare us with, and women have long told me about their fear of Australian males (who, let's face it, have earned an appalling reputation). Long live refugee resettlement in this country, and may the narrow-minded soon wake up to the seeds of fear and hatred in their hearts. There's room for diversity in this world, and national borders are an obsolete fiction. And as I have a son with dark skin colour, my resentment and sadness because of Australian racists is immense. Until you started spouting off he didn't know what this was about, now I fear for his safety -- I hope the white "Aussies" don't get him. Still, season's greetings and goodwill to all.
Posted by Almanac, Monday, 19 December 2005 1:38:27 PM
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Almanac, you just said: 'We guys are are far more afraid of "Aussie" footballers in and around pubs than any ethnic bogeymen you guys want to scare us with,..'

Today, in the Sydney Morning Herald:
'One week ago, Sydney had the appalling spectre of a large group of street brawlers assembling in Punchbowl, forming a 40-car convoy, proceeding like a military flying squad, hazard lights blazing as a display of force and confidence, and causing havoc on the streets in the eastern suburbs, with the police nowhere to be found. Responding to any threat from the police with both numbers and belligerence has been standard and effective operating procedure in this subculture for years.'
(Original source: http://smh.com.au/news/paul-sheehan/little-punishment-for-the-real-thugs/2005/12/18/1134840739922.html)

The full article, entitled 'Little punishment for the real thugs' is a rare example of clarity.

And in case you missed it Almanac, a more detailed article about your 'ethnic bogeymen':
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=581

Pissed footy players are often aggressive, but they've never fired rounds from assault rifles into a police station.
Posted by Ev, Monday, 19 December 2005 2:05:58 PM
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One poster tells of 2 years in Australia and tells us about our problems?
And a good paying job is the answer?, my job takes me to construction sites all over this state ,and workers from all over the world.
NONE ever dislike me because I am Aussie, none however are Lebanese Muslim.
We can fix this problem only if truth and honesty are our tools not blind stupity.
Lets understand raceism is just evil, even when its minority raceism against majority.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 19 December 2005 5:27:06 PM
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