A Prison official informed yesterday [19/12/05] that the recent Lebanese thugs who have been imprisoned are placed in the general prison population and given much freedoms, able to mix with other prisoners and access to libary etc: while those who are identified as Australian thugs have been placed in protective custody, given single cells and have only two hours of exercise a day, and no access to general prison vacilities.

I ask are the Lebanese guests in this country or citizens of Australia? If they are guests then it is time for these criminals to leave. If they want to despise the host and break the houshold fittings then they are not welcome. We have enough thuggish children in this houshold to cope with!

Todays most Naive Statement..thanx Almanac.

<"the rest of us aren't having all these problems with people they seem to hate, is because we don't come to them with racist fear and loathing,>

The only 'loathing and hate' here is yours for your own country.
We just want to have public beaches PUBLIC for all, not for an exclusive minority to threaten us away from.

I'm wondering Almanac, how you react to a section of the public beach being 'cordoned off' by a specific ethnic/Religious group and all others 'excluded' from it ? Would you call this 'racist' ? I surely would.

Such behavior is 'intolerant', and marginalizes all non 'them' in an illegal and offensive manner.

I sure hope you don't shoot yourself in the foot by saying we should be 'tolerant' of intolerance because you will be laughed out of OLO.

I'm sure that the majority of us, would have a problem with a convoy of 60 odd cars all with emergency lights blinking, heading from Lakemba to maraud in Maroubra or Cronulla, without a hint of police intelligence aware of this, or trying to stop it. Yes we are informed by an OLO contributor that it was planned DAYS AHEAD of the riot and was NOT a 'reaction' to it.

If you are suggesting that the odd racial slurr perpetrated by 'Aussies' against darker skinned people is the justification for all of this, then I guess we should expect gang violence of a similar nature from Italians, Greeks, Asians... attacking our beaches, but gee.. I haven't yet seen that.

But, strange, I haven't also seen car loads of 'Aussies' rampaging through Lakemba. Perhaps Lakembas Muslim residents should learn "sticks and stones...etc"

Mentioning previous gang violence is not valid. We had sharpies, mods, rockers in Melb, but all faded. This, I assure you will not fade, because it is linked with 'world Islamic victimhood'. If they feel 'threatened' in Iraq, they hate us here. No sharpies or mods in Iraq mate.

I find your patronizing analysis shabby and even worse than racist.

Almanac

Sharpies, Mods, Bodgies, Surfies and Footballers never beat up old ladies or emptied pistols into groups of strangers.

Minuet, good post. I think all of us should be aware of the problems Islam is causing in Europe and the many crimes there targeting women. The issue of the burka is worse than you imagine. It is not even a matter of modest dress. I call your attention to an interview by Mona Eltahawy with a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. They were talking about women women's rights and dress, and the Muslim leader said that his group respected women, even so much that he was talking to her even although Mona was "naked." He meant, of course, she wasn't wearing a burka or two and maybe a blanket over it all.

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=2941

See, folks, there can be no tolerance for this evil ideology. There is nothing we can do to make Muslims happy except let them rape us, cut our throats or become like them. As I have said (and demonstrated) Muslims will not face the facts about their religion, their torturing prophet, their evil customs and the intolerance and oppression that is the essence of Islam. There can be no compromise, we must be honest and tell them the things they don't want to hear.

Tanveer also is in denial, even if I believe there is hope for him. It is not just a segment of a community, it is not a Lebanese problem, it is Islam. Period. Please read what Muslims who live in the West are supposed to teach their children about their host countries:

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=70256&dgn=4

"You should instill a hatred for this culture (the West) and its ways in the hearts of your children" (Question 70256, item 8)

How pathetic, how evil, how Islamic.

John aka Kactuz
Telling it like it is for 7 decades...

PS: I once posted a question at islam_qa but for some reason they chose to not answer it. Why?

Regarding the tension between Muslims and Australians (of all backgrounds), I would like to actually see the Muslim community make some public changes to their attitude and ways to show that they are prepared to change and to adapt in order to have peace in Australia and to blend better with the Australian culture, climate and ways.

Australians have been expected to bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims, yet Muslims haven’t agreed to change anything, that is a concern. They expect Australia to make special rules for them, to have a different attitude towards them and to adapt our ways to better suit their ways. In return they will what, not attack us? I don’t understand why our Government is so scared, are they afraid of losing votes. Are they afraid of retaliation.

It’s not surprising that people get upset, it seems like Australians are the only ones that are required to make sacrifices. Can’t have too many Christmas decorations, might upset the Muslims. Can’t have Ham in hospitals, might upset the Muslims. Need to have Halal meat, can’t upset the Muslims, etc. There seems to be a separate set of rules for Muslims in this Country and it seems that this Country in its attempt to not appear racist is changing things for the average Australians in order to better suit the Muslim community and as a result it is upsetting the Australians.

What I would like to know is why is our Government so afraid of upsetting the Muslims and why do they not seem to care whether they upset the non Muslims?

Australia is not a Muslim country and if we keep changing our ways and our laws so as to not upset the Muslims, you can rest assured that you are going to upset the Australians and its not only Muslims who can resort to violence when they feel threatened, as seen by the riots in Cronulla etc,. Australians are not going to sit back and do nothing whilst they feel that they are being taken over. To many that is how it feels!

Jolanda,
Fellow Posters,

You are on the right track - asking questions is a good start - but don't expect answers from our politicians or from the islamics - they both lie. Find out for yourself. Get the facts. Read the manuals (Qur’an, Hadiths, …)

I and many other posters have been trying to elucidate the problem as it is. Our greatest fear is the casual, apathetic and sometime pathetic way it is being received by the larger majority.

Australians are naive, very tolerant but mostly ignorant of anything foreign.

Islam is in a group of its own. It has no regards for colour of skin, language, place of birth, customs, culture, etc... It is an aggressive propagational force that will stop at nothing until the job is done.

As long as we treat "it" on our democratic terms and on our good western way of thinking we will continue to lose the war. Our laws and demeanour means absolutely nothing to "them".

“They” will tolerate and chuckle at us – after all we are the inferior race which Allah wants them to destroy.