A year ago I told my kids (2 of 3 are very liberal and think I am somewhat mad) that in 5 years Europe would explode because of racial and religious tensions. I see no reason to change that projection. Probably in one or two years we will see American style riots in some European cities, probably sparked by some police incident. This is somewhat ironic because I remember conversations back in the 70s with Europeans; they were lecturing me on American racial intolerance because of our “black” problem (Hey, my wife is black). Anyway, in about 3 to 4 years there will be some horrible event that makes the London bombing look like a picnic. In 4 to 5 years somebody in Europe will stand up and said “Enough” to Muslim immigration and will use all these tragic events for political capital. He will demand integration or departure. Only the radicals on both sides will gain with this, but common people will be ‘forced’ to take sides. The ‘old’ Europeans will probably win (for lack of a better term), if for no other reason than population demographics. At this point everything fades and is unclear, but I think it will not be a good time for good people. I sometimes wonder if the new Pope would be a major player in all this.

Australia and the US will not be involved directly at this time, because of smaller Muslim polulations. Islam will not and cannot change. The hate and anger in the Muslim soul can only be healed by Muslim's themselves, and they are in denial. Sad.

Kactuz

BD - I do not know anything about Islam or the Muslim faith. I have been using this forum and the Nutbags forum to try and get some sort of understanding of such complex issues. I don't have a hidden agenda - simply, I find it very confusing and very difficult to understand.

Fello Human has been very helpful in answering some of my questions and he has not passed judgement on my ignorance.

As a person of Christian heritage, in this world of fear and terror, I am trying to get a sensible grasp of other cultures and religions. I think this imperative, given that there are so many people of Islamic faith in this country. I want to be able to give moderate Muslims a fair go - and I want to learn how to cope with extremists.

A few more words...
Aisha, you must have a sister named Kim. She often posts at Bjornsblog at
http://blog.bearstrong.net/001624.html#comments
and she is one of my favorite people.

Some thoughts on immigration. The rules have changed. When massive immigration to the West started in the 1960/70s people were still thinking in 19th and early 20th century terms. People moved and cut ties with the old country and with their families left behind. You did not return, you had a hard time even communicating with the old country. You had to assimulate to survive. This was the "melting pot". (I have spent 5 weeks on a freighter immigrating, I know. I remember 30-40 day letters one-way.)

Times are different. People can immigrate and not integrate. People need not become part of a culture. Modern technology and modern "multicultural" theory facilitate and support the possibility of totally different cultures living side by side, in a way unheard of before. The old rules don't apply. An immigrant can eat his own food, work in his sub-culture, marry people brought in from his old country and even listen to hate speech from his favorite Imam in Arabia. The Welfare state will even support him if he chooses not to work, and he now has rights and respect he never even imagined. In theory it should work, except he has problems and he will not accept the values of other groups. He has to blame somebody, and its everybody but him. This is why conflict is inevitable. Muslims cannot accept Western values of tolerance and free speech and still be Muslims.

Any country accepting Muslim immigration is insane. The fact that politicians and PC educators support this false multiculturalism almosts makes me believe they actually want to destroy our society. I find that theory hard to believe, but...

That's it.... Kactuz signing off

Col rouge, are you coming down with something? That was a lovely post.

Kactuz - "The hate and anger in the Muslim soul can only be healed by Muslim's themselves"

Kactuz are you actually claiming that ALL muslims are full of hate and anger? If so, then you are just as much to blame for inciting hatred as any other religious lunatic fringe, such as Ku Klux Klan, IRA, fundamentalist christians and so on....

And why do people like you & BD incite hatred and then try to qualify yourselves by saying oh BTW I'm married to an Asian/dark skinned person. I'm part Jewish I was married to a German - and he used to physically abuse me. Yet he probably would say 'I'm not anti-semitic I'm married to a Jew'.

Trinity, you are the only one making any sense at this point in time besides the author. Some of these postings are just anti ranti.