"Whoever kills a human being ... then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life it is as though he had saved all mankind."

Thanks for the link Alex. I found the above quote from the Koran there. we all should pay attention.

Keep going, people! I would like to have my first double-century!!

Xena

if you can at one moment post the words of Herman Goering referring to Hitler as 'Savior of Germany'

then knowing full well why he was NOT the person Goering said he was, and the reasons...

Then, you can post "If you kill one man..etc" from the Quran

and WILLFULLY ignore "He chopped off their hands and feet, gouged out their eyes, and left them to die in the desert" (Hadith Bukhari)

Which is the SAME person who authored the verse you quoted above about 'if a man kills... etc in the Quran. So, how brilliant do you have to be, to recognize that he is condemning himSELF with that, or, he is simply making it up as he goes.... (food for thought)

If you can also ignore the mass killings of the Banu Qurayza (600-900 men and boys)

and speak with 'warm affection' for this faith, and its founder,
then I don't know what planet or stream of history you are from, but it sure isn't the one which most people are in.

You are either intellectually dishonest, maliciously selecting 'sugar' to coat the truth, or, you just plain 'don't get it' about the real world which has just seen 56 dead bodies in London.

Do deny Adolph the 'warm affection' you so easily grant to Mohammed would have to be the all time most spectacular example of ignorance and dishonesty that I've come across for a long long time.

But then, perhaps you speak from some lingering deep seated bitterness towards Christ, or 'the church' I have no idea, please enlighten me. The psychology of denial and sympathy you demonstrate would make a very good case study for a psychology student. This is especially true when one considers the things this man said about women, and you being one.

If you have isses with 'The church' or 'me' or Christ, thats cool, give your best/worst, vent your spleen, I don't mind :) then we can have a cuppa, but PLEASE, don't reject factual historical accounts of real events from Islamic sources about the founder of Islam

BD,

I responded to your ‘fundamentalist sources on the story above and also published a response to your newly discovered one on ‘Nutbags .."and other threads.

So now Xena have a ‘deep seated bitterness’ with the church? Maybe you should ask yourself why all what you do 24 x 7 is contributing solely to Muslims bashing websites?

As for ‘examples of ignorance and dishonesty’, please review all your publishing and my responses to them:
- You launch a cheap shot on Islam and Muslims using a mix of half truth/ questionable source/ interpretation.
- You publish it hoping for ‘ignorant Muslims’ or naïve aussies and you know it.
- You get caught red handed when I respond with the context or the full story (which you knew from before). Rather than acknowledge, you dive in and dig another half story from somewhere.
- You do that on all the Muslims bashing websites.

I think neither Xena nor anyone have issues here but yourself. If you go and get a $10 book on NLP, you will know those who accuse others of anything are usually sending messages to themselves!.

BTW, for a missionary, you can do a better job following Jesus teachings. I studied them in the Koran and Bible and you are far from it.

Salam / Peace,

AK

Ash... points of order.

1/ I am NOT in some book selling thing, I did find a 'David Boaz' on the net. Its NOT me.

2/ I have not posted THOUSANDS of posts to 'Muslim bashing' web sites unless you consider "IslamicSydney" such a site and it might be 10s But don't admit you said that at the Lakemba mosque or they might 'hurt' you :)

3/ You have not responded with 'context'. You have responded with SPIN.
You continually give 'Islam teaches', rather than admitting the factual or non factual nature of my posts.
The psychology of your response is this ->

“I believe in Islam (first), I do not question its founder (which should be first in all belief systems), therefore all in Islam is good and right”

4/ Half Truths. I deny that I post 'half' truths. I was wrong about the death penalty for insulting the prophet, and have freely and happily admitted this on the other thread. I reject 'half truths' in other matters. My sources are ISLAMIC .. the “Muslim Students Association” for the Hadith of Bhukari and Muslim etc.

I claimed the Koran 'villifes' Christians, calling them ‘wicked’ -you gave me 'spin'

In ‘your’ version of Islam they are just ‘Ungrateful’ why don’t we test that with the following :)

Ok.. now its your turn :) here are 4 translations of the text, from Picthal and 3 Muslim translators.

5.72 I said 'wicked'

Yusuf Ali "wrong doers"
Picthall "Wicked"
Shakir "Unjust"
Khalifa "Wicked"

Hmm.. I can’t find ‘ungrateful’ in any of them.

Now, I give you facts, please don't respond with 'spin' :)

Forgive me if I seem ‘smug and arrogant’ (as JustDan described me) -the “flesh” is very skilful in turning our good intentions into something dark, but to quote your holy book “God is all knowing, wise” At least on that we can agree :)
Ash, I appreciate and understand that Islam is ‘your religion’ but I contend that ‘your’ brand is different from the ‘real’ Islam. Yours is gentle, tame, friendly, and congenial, real Islam is not.

Boaz-o, I appreciate and understand that Christianity is ‘your religion’ but I contend that ‘your’ brand is different from the ‘real’ Christianity. Yours is aggressive, obnoxious, competitive and antagonistic, real Christianity is not.