Kalweb,
your posts remind me of when a Liberal party backbencher, is lined up to raise a question which his front benchers WANT to deal with, because it gives them an opportunity to speak about their choice of topic/policy. I doubt that you are 'naive'. Rather, you are either VERY naive and sheltered OR... you have a different reason.

There was NO vagina on that page, you could have done us the honesty of explaining that it was a picture of a fully veiled woman, who was 'regarded' as a sex object if any of her skin is showing.

By the way, you might have looked further at the site and you would have discovered why I am adamant that not even one small jot or tittle of sharia/Islamic law should EVER be imposed by stealth or otherwise on this country.

It was the decision by the Imams that if a mans wife leaves Islam, she should be EXECUTED if it is an 'Islamic Country'. That decision came from "Islam-qa.com" the quote was accurate.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/fatwa/apostasy50122.htm

Victoria

Ham Sandwich ban, a $400,000 legal battle from Waleed and his collusive gang against Christian pastors EXPOSING this king of thing, Burial laws changed, Stamp duty laws changed, all in the interests of the 'Sharia-ization of our legal system.
If you think I'm paranoid, xenophobic or just plain hateful, do a search on "Sharia in Canada" where you will find the Islamic community lobbied for and SUCEEDED in gaining approval to use Sharia law on Muslims (to a limited degree)

52 people murdered/700 injured in London by HOME grown Islamists it would appear. What is it, which takes young teenage boys from 'normal teenager' to 'suicide bomber' ? well, you should just read all of my posts, and try to ignore the criticisms from well meaning kind hearted Aussies who are perhaps as naive as you.

By the way, my company is involved with the Anti Terrorism section of the police, we make 'something' for them, perhaps I have some insights of which you and others are not aware.

keep going, guys. this is great. we should reach a century of comments soon! wow. my first century ...

BD - "By the way, my company is involved with the Anti Terrorism section of the police, we make 'something' for them, perhaps I have some insights of which you and others are not aware."

You really like to win don't you? If villifying other religions or atheists doesn't work now you are claiming that you know something the rest of us don't. I believe that like I believe in virgin births.

I have checked out that faithfreedom website - not exactly an objective and impartial critique of Islam.

As others have stated, other religions have equally violent, sexist and intolerant writings. You are only adding to the problem - how about working together (this means tolerating other religions and atheists) to decry terrorism and determine the true cause of such aberrant behaviour. Suicide terrorism is not a normal human response, nor is it about belief in religion - it is about power. Like most extreme crimes.

Aisha “You need the whole story; not just a quote here and there” – this point was pre-answered in my statement

Particularly “measured by how they respond to what they read – not for reading ancient words themselves,”

And on that matter as Fellow-Human rightly points out, certain groups claiming to be Christians have instituted the wholesale and systematic sodomy of young boys and girls for centuries – so which part of your philosophy of “You need the whole story” do you want to include those practices in?

Then “but you can’t change what is written in Koran, and reforming such literal, abject and graphic violence in the book, to me, seems impossible.”

If I want to read Mien Kampf, it does not make me a fascist.
If I read Das Kapital it does not make me a communist.
If I read the Koran it does not make me a Muslim,
Reading the torah does not bestow jewishness upon me and
Anyone reading the Bible does not imply they are actually Christian.

What makes anyone a Fascist, Communist, Muslim, Jew or Christian is how they act.

What is written is historic, God forbid we should have a censor who decides what we can or cannot read for the social good – The fascists did that and had books BBQ in Berlin in 1930s - Communists tried that – Pasternac and Solzhenitsyn would tell you about it. Certain western religious zealots these days do it by trying to get films and pieces of “art” (just another form of media like books) banned because they offend their version of “faith”

Again, the difference between a "righteous" and a "not-so-righteous" person lies in their respect and absence of bigotry for those who hold a faith different to their own and such respect is best shown by TOLERANCE of such dissenting views.

“Tolerance” is not to be found in what we read – it is manifest in how we behave and respond to what we read.

Kalweb,

I keep the comment on the site you mentioned to myself.
Mind you, the only thing that really puzzles me is why all these ‘previously Muslims but saw the light’ didn’t change their Muslims names? Why are they still Aly, Mohamed and Aisha?
If they had a sense of honesty or objectivity, maybe they should have mentioned that Muslim women in the Tunisian parliament just reached 11.5% of total parliament members which is higher than most EU countries including La France de mon enfance! Apologies to Enrico.
Anyway, at least I know that they hate all Muslims ‘equally’.

BD,

I have no comments on your prejudice and responded to your comment on “Nutbags, McCarthysm, etc..” yes there is terrorism and crimes and yes they use Islam as their hanger. The most effective way to get rid of terrorism is to encourage, empower and support moderate Muslims, not by insulting the faith with perverse websites.

Aisha,

Enjoy the ‘spiritual tyre kicking’ but don’t insult others beliefs.
Your reference to V Gogh confirms my view on tribalism: The guy made a fakementary (apologies for linguistics experts) calling “all Muslims are goat fu…ers”. Now, go to Texas, walk into a pub and call “all Texans are goat fu..ers” whatever piece will be left of you can come and tell us what happened! PS: Texans are not Muslims.
I have no problem with your ignorance of Islam and its teachings; all I am asking is do not hold me accountable for your ignorance.

Col Rouge,

“What makes anyone a Fascist, Communist, Muslim, Jew or Christian is how they act”
You get my vote for the best statement on this thread so far.

AK

I think this thread has gone to it’s final end. As always the fundamentalists will not accept that ‘different’ doesn’t mean ‘wrong’. How arrogant can a Christian be? For a religion that preaches tolerance and understanding, it is the only religion I know of that actively attempts to convert people’s ideas on the subject. Ironic yes?

BD- it is pure hubris to outright state that Christianity is the ONLY right religion. Yes, your faith may give you this certainty but it is not something you can ever substantiate. Claim whatever scripture you wish, highlight whatever dubious historical reference, compare with the ‘faults’ of any other belief system and you still have one thing – your faith versus another. How is that different from anyone else’s faith and belief? That you have seen the light and others haven’t? I have heard that from the mouths of a few mentally ill too. As has been stated repeatedly by others – all you do is give others of any faith reason to doubt your faith due to your fanaticism (yes that is how it appears).

At least Aisha has the apparent ability to admire other faiths (has he settled on any one faith or is he still searching? Or is he happy to believe an amalgam?).

Now ON TOPIC – Ifran appears to have made a GENUINE attempt to show that Islam wants peace and coexistence by damning the bombings in London. If other Muslims do this, why do they have to be subversive, dishonest and attempting to placate us? If it were as you see their faith, they would be heretics. Yet in other threads when people discuss alternative Christian ideology, it’s modern thinking or such (e.g. Sells ‘new’ interpretation of Christianity). Ifran wants peace and co-existence. Isn’t that all that matters?

As for your answer to my question of Ghandi – nicely ducked! You and I don’t know what God will judge but I am interested in what you BELIEVE will occur. Will Ghandi be saved according to your doctrine? He wasn’t a believer in the Christian faith. Hhmmmm?