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Geert Wilders and the ALA do not stand for liberty – they undermine it : Comments

By Vladimir Vinokurov, published 2/11/2015

The ALA and Wilders no doubt wish to trade liberty for security. But where does that stop? Should we lock up all of the Muslims here from fear that some of them might be extremists?

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Hi Yuyutsi,

Yes, I'll take what you say

"What if their retarded culture, or anything in between, is more fulfilling than yours?"

more seriously when I see shots of Waffen-IS going into battle on donkey-carts rather than Toyotas. Not likely ? No, indeed.

Even the Waffen-IS ARE in this world, using its latest technologies, piggy-backing on the achievements of the West, and they know it. Fair enough, all the world is quite entitled to what all the world has devised, I certainly don't begrudge anybody access to any of that.

But to cherry-pick across technologies, to use what one's enemies have developed and know that such artifacts (video-cam, mobile phones, apps, the latest type of explosives, probably sword blades from Sheffield) could never be devised, never in a million years, from within one's own culture, religion or ideology - must be irritating.

But I suppose they can take out their frustrations raping yet another Yazidi ten-year-old. Boy or girl, it probably doesn't matter.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 9 November 2015 1:05:06 PM
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Yutsie: The better culture shall win - whichever it is going to be, we just need to ensure that it will win fairly by capturing the hearts of people rather than their throats.

And what, may I ask, in your humble opinion, is, "the better culture" islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Animism, Secularism or Atheism. Or any other, pray tell?
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 9 November 2015 2:24:30 PM
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Dear Jayb,

It is hard to tell and different cultures could prevail as they suit different times and places.

What is clear, is that the Western consumerist culture has been a failure. It was supposed to bring happiness, comfort and freedom, but instead it brings ever more stress - and families crumble and break down under this stress and the youth turn to drugs.

People are time-poor: while there is no formal slavery, most people are forced to work longer hours to service their mortgage. The technology which promised to save time, takes longer to service than the time it saves. With the family structure gone, people are isolated, insecure and have to fend for themselves alone in every area of life, with only government left to rely on in times of trouble, a government which happily continues to undermine the family in order to assert its hegemony. Most people don't even know their immediate neighbours and children are not allowed outdoors and must be driven around for every need and whim.

This culture discourages free and independent thinking by constantly bombarding people with external impressions. One cannot do their regular shopping without being exposed to rough and loud adolescent non-music (which is actually an African import in origin, beating their war-drums on the one hand and crying fie for being enslaved on the other) to prevent them from hearing their own thoughts.

Yes, one may become accustomed to it, but if you step out and look at the Western culture objectively, you find that it is overall even more pushy than, say, the Islamic culture.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 9 November 2015 3:24:56 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

I don't think a single whinge of yours is actually true, and you might need to backup your jeremiad with some figures. Amongst the people I mix with, they seem to be as happy as, if not happier than, the adults and families of my childhood. No society will ever be 'perfect', but most definitely ours is more open and easy-going than average.

And pushy ? No, that's not something I've ever noticed as a general trait - maybe the reverse. If you mean by that word, something like 'demanding', no I don't recall ever being given the option of surrender or get beheaded in Australia, not yet anyway. Now, THAT would be 'pushy' :)

Oh, and my neighbour just brought my bin in :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 9 November 2015 4:27:09 PM
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Hmmm... That didn't answer the question, it was a deflection.

yutsie: Yes, one may become accustomed to it, but if you step out and look at the Western culture objectively, you find that it is overall even more pushy than, say, the Islamic culture.

So you would prefer an Islamic culture. that's nice. There are plenty of places where you could practice that out to your hearts content, if you don't like Western Culture.

Loudmouth: Amongst the people I mix with, they seem to be as happy as, if not happier than, the adults and families of my childhood.

I agree. the only ones that seem to be unhappy are the yuppie PC's & Greeny type people. Not enough Dole I suppose.

My bin was brought in yesterday, but then, I put the neighbours out because they forgot. The missus has a whinge about something & that makes her happy. I dunno, I wasn't listening, that makes me happy. ;-)
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 9 November 2015 5:12:13 PM
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'What is clear, is that the Western consumerist culture has been a failure. It was supposed to bring happiness, comfort and freedom, but instead it brings ever more stress - and families crumble and break down under this stress and the youth turn to drugs.'

true to a degree Yuyutsu however Islam like Secularism twists many facts to fit their narrative. Many muslims are happy to operate in the drug trade. They are no freer from lust, greed, rape and in fact many times display even less self control than others despite their outward piety. In many Western nations muslims see raping white girls as a sport as they are only sluts in their eyes anyway. The family structure of one husband and four wives might work well for a few individuals but is really just slavery for the women. Yes capitalism appeals to greeds and gets many unsavoury outcomes. Compared though to Islamic nations it is heaven. Why do you think so many muslims want to come here.
Posted by runner, Monday, 9 November 2015 5:25:24 PM
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