So true. https://www.youtube.com/embed/wq_lhlIn1e0

Yutsie: Whatever values they hold is none of mine or your business, as long as they do not harm or threaten us.

But it is my business when they start making un-Australian demands.

islamic values do & will harm us if Australians don't act now to stop & reverse this islamic stealth invasion of the West.

Remember, any refusal of an Islamic demand made on the West accepting & adopting their Islamic values is an attack & declaration of War on islam.

According to them they have the rights to defend themselves against this refusal. Let's not go through the Chapter & Verse thing again we have done that all before. We've all seen it.

That's why there is such a ground swell against moslems occurring in Australia at the present time. Most Australian people have woken up to what's going on. The Politicians are still catching up, unfortunately.

Here is a conundrum for you.
Anyone either belonging or having sympathy to ISIS should not be
employed by an airline or an airport.

If the Isis group is believed to have many sympathisers but who
are not active members should they be employed by the airline or airport ?

How do we sort out those that are sympathisers and those who are moderate.

When you have made the decision would you fly in or out of an airport
of a moslem country or an airport that employs moslems ?

If it turns out the German aircraft was bombed by an ISIS sympathiser
then this question will have to be at the top of IATA's to do list.
Australian airlines do employ moslem baggage handlers. I have seen them.
Think about that next time you board an aircraft.

'Australian airlines do employ moslem baggage handlers

Yeah Bazz and our rational secular world is more likely to sack an air hostess for wearing a cross than to 'discriminate' against a baggage handler.

Wilders has said,

"Islam is not a religion, it's an ideology, the ideology of a retarded culture." Elsewhere he calls Islam fascist.

Of course, it's possible for Islam to be all four and, in fact, given that its roots are in the stunted culture of desert raiders, and its main principle is that nothing in its book can ever be questioned, it certainly verges towards the fascist.

Many ideologies derived from the Enlightenment are mainly secular, but any religion can throw up (so to speak) any sort of ideology. Some very humanitarian ideologies, after all, have sprung at different times, from Christian roots, Quakers and Franciscans, for example.

But religion can obviously also throw up some extremely reactionary ideologies, or ideological interpretations of scriptures/surahs/myth etc. As well, religion can be exploited to justify the most fascist and reactionary beliefs and practices, as we have seen over the past eighty years.

So I would slightly disagree with Wilders: Islam IS a religion, AND it has spawned an ideology, the fascist ideology used and developed by the Waffen-IS as a faithful interpretation of it. Islam is a backward religion, totally out of step with the modern world (which is perhaps why its adherents are so pissed of with the West). It has produced a backward and reactionary ideology now being promoted and implemented by the Waffen-IS. And it springs from a backward, predatory and stunted culture.

But forgive the sinner, not the sin - Muslims need our support to help them understand the exigencies, and opportunities, of the modern world, should they abandon their backward views. But of course, there's is the problem, perhaps the great problem of the 21st century - with what to replace such an all-encompassing set of unquestionable rules and crackpot certainties and justifications for the most brutal crimes ?

In other words, how to replace the barbarisms of Islam with humane ideologies, and welcome ex-Muslims into the modern world with open arms ?

Joe

Loudmouth: In other words, how to replace the barbarisms of Islam with humane ideologies, and welcome ex-Muslims into the modern world with open arms ?

It's a nice sentiment Joe. It just ain't ever gonna happen. That's what all these do-gooders are dreaming off. They think that moslems will come to Australia, see what a wonderful free life we lead & turn from their violent ways. Again, It just ain't ever gonna happen.

They have come here to convert, by force, if necessary, the infidel Australian.

A few years ago I returned to Vietnam. I met one of the old VC Commanders. He said we may have won the War but what we got was not what we fought for(Communism.) The same will happen in Australia in 50 years if we are not careful.

Dear Joe,

So what if the opportunities of the modern world are not really that exciting? What if others won't rush to kiss the hem of your pants in gratitude? What if their retarded culture, or anything in between, is more fulfilling than yours?

The only thing that should be expected (and enforced) of Muslims, is to stop their violence towards the rest of society.

Serious and complex security issues have been raised here, such as whether to trust Muslims or ex-Muslims as baggage-handlers in airports: the discussion here should indeed focus on security issues rather than on values, culture and/or religion, which are everyone's private matter.

The better culture shall win - whichever it is going to be, we just need to ensure that it will win fairly by capturing the hearts of people rather than their throats.