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Geert Wilders and the ALA do not stand for liberty they undermine it : Comments

By Vladimir Vinokurov, published 2/11/2015

The ALA and Wilders no doubt wish to trade liberty for security. But where does that stop? Should we lock up all of the Muslims here from fear that some of them might be extremists?

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Undermine WHOSE liberty? The liberty of this lawyer and others who like to sneer at and denegrate Australians who have the temerity to believe that they should have had some input in the matter of importing people with no connection to Western culture, and with no intention of taking part in it? A group, of which 85% are on our welfare when they haven't contributed anything, and never will in most cases, contribute to? People who adhere to a system that definitely opposes ANY freedom?

Where is the PUBLIC voice of all these ".. many 'secular' and 'moderate' Muslims in our community (speaking) their minds openly and without fear of retribution"? The Muslims in Australia are an UNKOWN quantity because they are allowed to lie to protect themselves and Islam, particularly when they are in the minority.

The problem for Vladimir Vinokurov is that ALA Geert Wilders actually know about the truth of Islam. He does not. He is also living in the past with his "For decades the bulk of them (migrants) have integrated successfully into our liberal society." (The liberal society is wrong too. Despite attempts to change us, we are still a relitavely conservative society). Decades later, that is simply not true of Muslims.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 2 November 2015 11:28:13 AM
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VV: we lock up all of the Muslims here from fear that some of them might be extremists,

No, of course not. Muslims in Australia cost the Government too much in looking after them now. Not to mention the extra Security Measures that have been put in place to protect non-moslems.

The best course of action would be to expel all moslems from Australia.

A number of well known moslem imams & moslem spokespersons have expounded many, many times, "There are 'no' moderate moslems. There are only moslems."

I should imagine that would also translate to, " There are no 'radicle" moslems," only moslems," equally.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 2 November 2015 12:29:44 PM
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Dear Jayb,

<<The best course of action would be to expel all moslems from Australia.>>

And who will be next?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 2 November 2015 2:12:15 PM
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This article is full of the usual homilies and wishful thinking but as we know it's a game of percentages, it's only when Muslims make up about 5% of the population that they really start to assert themselves.
We can see the true face of Islam in places like Blacktown, Dandenong and Broadmeadows where around one in three residents are Muslim, I'm sure I don't even have to go into details since simply naming those suburbs is enough.

Here are your "moderate" law abiding Muslims:
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/616137/muslims-sharia-law-uk-baroness-Baroness-Cox-theresa-may
"Moderate" Islam and Muslim culture are the pathways to criminality in Muslim youth, the brutality of life in a Muslim gang leaves young people susceptible to the lure of Salafists and recruiters for military Jihad.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 2 November 2015 2:19:28 PM
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Yutsie: And who will be next?

Any immigrant, Naturalized or not, who has committed any serious crime in Australia, with no recourse to any pansy lawyers. Do their time then, on a plane & OUT. Scrimple.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 2 November 2015 4:22:29 PM
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Taking your points, one by one, Vlad.

The Australian parliament does have a sovereign right too exclude from our country any person, or identifiable group of people, who's value systems are so diametrically opposed to the mainstream culture, that they can never even partly assimilate.

Sporting Shooters got "collective punishment" when Martin Bryant shot dead 35 people in Port Arthur, but no one from the loony left or the dhimmie wits worried about that.

Australia is not proposing to lock up all Muslims yet. That will only happen when the Muslims start a civil war complete with numerous acts of terrorism. To prevent that, Australia can at least postpone, or possibly even prevent the problem by preventing the immigration of any more Muslims.

Could you please tell me what "moderate Muslims" believe? Do they believe that apostates should not be murdered? That Islam can be criticised? That those who fight for Islam are not the highest grade of Muslim? Well, if they believe in any of those things, Vlad, they are not Muslims.

Islam is a violent and dangerous creed. Their holy scriptures revel in the idea of killing infidels and spreading Islam through force. Making stupid statements which are contrary to self evident reality will hardly win you any debating points.

Many Muslims may be law abiding, but who's law are they abiding? No matter how you decorate the truth, the fact remains that Muslims are very disproportionately represented in very serious crime. NSW's biggest investigative police unit is the Middle East Organised Crime squad, and that to police a mere 2.2% of the population.

Many Muslims may be fleeing civil wars created by extremists, but that does not mean that they disagree with the extremists or oppose the aims of the extremists. One man's extremist is a Muslim's most devout defender of the faith.

I am not sure what Muslims have "enriched" Australia with. Unless you count car theft, ram raids, terrorism, race hate rape packs, very high levels of welfare dependency, the intimidation of female teachers, and endless shootings in the Muslim suburbs of Sydney.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 2 November 2015 4:54:34 PM
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