The Mosque-cathedral of Córdoba (Spanish: Mezquita–catedral de Córdoba), known as the Mosque of Córdoba (Spanish: Mezquita de Córdoba), whose ecclesiastical name is the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption (Spanish: Catedral de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción),is the Catholic Christian cathedral of the Diocese of Córdoba dedicated to the Assumption of the Virgin Mary and located in the Spanish region of Andalusia.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque%E2%80%93Cathedral_of_C%C3%B3rdoba/

There are many examples of churches being converted to mosques and vice versa.
No example of a palace being converted into mosque, to the best of my knowledge. Please correct me, if any one has an example to quote. And that is what was said, that Palace is a complex structure with reception areas, banquet halls, residential areas, entertainment areas, service areas, staff quarters and security set up. All unnecessary and impossible for a mosque to maintain, which essentially is a prayer hall and abolition area. These two structures, the palace and mosque are not interchangeable. Church and Mosque are different. Both are places of worship of God and one can easily be converted to the other.

Actual point is that an effort is on to mislead people to hate each other, and Muslims are the current target. The discerning eyes should be able to see the deception in the Israeli site posing to be advocating the Muslim cause, and an imposter posing to be a Muslim scholar and saying such an outrageous thing as converting Buckingham Palace into Mosque.

Good luck

NC: your new question: <<Does the Koran promote the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?>>

Let me point out the findings of an open minds (Karen Armstrong) “The Quran gave women rights of inheritance and divorce centuries before Western women were accorded such status”

The art of Deflection!

I think I see where the problem lies. To you that is an answer, to me it’s not. That is a statement “around” the Question. I suppose it’s a cultural thing. I have noticed that questions are never answered directly. Wheather or not women got Inheritance & devorce rights centuries ago is a start & good to see. It doesn’t quite work like that from what I’ve seen if Islamic widows loft to fend for themselves & ending up in prison.

But, what about now, in Australia. If a moslem woman wanted to go out alone (without a male relative), have a say her own right in things like; finances, raising of the children, education, working, wearing a head covering, what she wears out to the shops, joins others, including males, at the local pool wearing an Australian styled bathers, drive a car on her own & other things that the average Australian female takes for granted.

Is it right that her husband “forbids” her to do those things, or is it wrong. The crux of the matter stands on the word “Forbids.” That type of Australian Equality is what we are talking about.

That’s, I believe, is what Loudmouth meant by equality of men & women. How do you feel about that Australian type of equality as compared with moslem equality?

McAdam: Are you saying that Muslims spread hatred?

Yes. (gee, that was easy.) As I have shown by the many talks I have shown from utube & many others that are given by your learned Imam Scholars.

What are you spreading?

I’m not spreading hate. I’m only showing the hate your learned Imams are spreading & insisting that moslems must follow. Are you saying that by exposing them I’m spreading hate?

Jayb,

Equality means, broadly, more or less, that whatever rights men have, women have. So let's turn that paragraph of yours around and see if we can discern the slightest sign of equality:

' If a moslem man wanted to go out alone (without a female relative), have a say, his own right in things like; finances, raising of the children, education, working, wearing a head covering, what he wears out to the shops, joins others, including females, at the local pool wearing Australian styled bathers, drive a car on his own & other things that the average Australian male takes for granted.'

Bizarre, isn't it ? And the degree that none of that makes sense, is the degree of Muslim women's inequality. I wonder if NC/McAdam would agree that that situation would be intolerable.

It used to bug me that, in stories about sultans and whatever seeking out beautiful women, and their trials and tribulations before they eventually had their way, there was rarely any consideration about the willingness of the women involved. THAT's inequality.

NC/McAdam, Can we talk yet about any group of women raping and enslaving men, selling them on to other women ? I can't recall. THAT's inequality.

Are Muslim boys and men barred anywhere from getting an education, the sort and quality of education that Malala Yusufzai is so courageously championing for women around the world ? I haven't heard of it. THAT's inequality.

Divorce in the Koran ? On the same terms as for men ? The same inheritance laws for women as for men ? Blow that one out of your rear end.

So, when do you reckon, NC/McAdam, Muslim women will get equality with Muslim men in Muslim countries ? Yes, in Australia, where (thank goodness) medieval Muslim law does not apply, and I hope never will.

You can divert, bluster, make absurd accusations all you like, but I don't think you will answer those questions. Yes, I understand that to ask questions in a reactionary mind-set is not permissible, but we're in Australia where it is. Get used to it.

Joe

Loudmouth,

Your post of 10 March 10:16 PM

You have agreed that:

Quran does not support child marriage and you don’t care about Aisha’s age as in your words <<time and circumstances and societies change>>.

Let us see how long to stick to what you have agreed to.

More importantly, you say that extremists who spread hate against Muslims must be condemned.

Now this is the heart of the article under discussion that you have spent so many hours crying against. What was all that?

Now you ask:

<<Can you give me any examples of any extremists who spread hate against Moslems ?>>

My answer is quite a few. But I start with YOU.

You are an Islamophobe INSIDE OUT.

You have been listing any conceivable human vile practice along with the word ‘Koran’ in hundreds of your sentences so far, without ever quoting Quran in support of any of the vile practice you have so frequently repeated.

This is Islamophobia in simple words.

Who fits better the definition of an <<extremists who spread hate against Muslims>> than an Islamophobe?

I have answered in a previous post, your unnecessarily repeated question: << And do you yourself believe in the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?>>. I may or may not like to share my personal beliefs with someone like you.

Can you cite an Australian law/practice which can require me to share my personal beliefs with someone I don’t seem to have much common with?

See the next post for your other repeated question.

Continue

Continued from the last post

Loudmouth,

I answered your question <<Does the Koran promote the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?>> in my post of 10 March 4:31 pm

But you have repeated it, as you do invariably.

Will make the last attempt to explain my answer for the simple mind of an Islamophobe.

Quran gives guiding principles out of which laws have emerged in different times for different societies and culture. The principles never carry details. The details vary for societies in time and with the pressure of prevailing cultural practices.

Karen Armstrong concludes that Quran gave women the rights of property and divorce centuries before European women had these rights (my post of 10 Mar).

A quote of Justice Pierre Crabites (d1943) American Jurist and Chief Judge at International Court of Justice, from “Things Muhammad Did For Women”, acknowledges:

• “Mohammad was probably the greatest champion of women's rights the world has ever seen.”; and

• “Muhammad’s outstanding contribution to the cause of women, resides in the property rights that he conferred upon the wives of his people….The Moslem spouse in so far as her property is concerned, is as free as a bird. The Law permits her to do with her financial assets whatever she pleases without consulting her consort. In such matters he has no greater rights than would have any perfect stranger”

The two quotes alone must answer your question.

You will find most of this and similar other views (there are many) of people who have really read about Muhammad (Saw) and Quran directly opposite to the stuff you have been regurgitating in your mindless ignorance of Islam.

This completes my answer. Any repetition from you will get a three-word response from me, see previous posts.

Now you give me a quote from Quran that you think is against the women rights. Remember Muhammad (Saw) has gradually lifted a wild society from its repulsive practices.

Now my question for you:

“Do you consider an Islamophobe to be an extremist who spreads hate against Muslims?”

This shows the true intentions of Indoneasians towards Australia. Do you consider that by exposing this I’m spreading hate?

http://sheikyermami.com/2014/04/indo-foreign-minister-the-world-belongs-to-allah-and-muslims-have-human-rights-to-invade-australia/

http://www.theage.com.au/world/bali-nine-executions-indonesian-minister-threatens-to-release-human-tsunami-of-asylum-seekers-20150310-140dhn.html

http://www.doamuslims.org/?p=1999

High Risk Moslem Terrorists on a hunger strike.

McAdam: You must be familiar with Richard Perle.

I have never heard of him.

McAdam: you are using an Israeli site to tell us the real Islamic point of view?

I was unaware it was an Israeli site untill I went back & looked at it. However the site was only showing the hate Moslems believe. There is a difference.

McAdam: And about this nobody you are calling a "well known spokesman for Islam" is suggesting conversion of Buckingham Palace into a mosque.

According to the video he is well known in Sydney at least where he is a Cleric.

McAdam: The person shown in the video is niether a well known scholar, nor a representative of the community.

Anjem Choudary is a well known spokesman for Islam & a Judge of the Sharia Law Courts (UK)

I repeat. I’m not spreading hate. I’m only showing the hate your learned Imams are spreading & insisting that moslems must follow.

Are you saying that by exposing these articles I’m spreading hate?