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Saving democracy from the extremists : Comments
By Junaid Cheema, published 25/2/2015The publication had a very un-Australian affect on the readers - comments flooded the paper's social media site vilifying Muslims, promoting hate and creating divisions amongst Australians.
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Posted by McAdam, Monday, 9 March 2015 6:52:57 PM
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Very interesting to see that the person asking the question is not trying to understand the clear and repeated answer; rather playing with the definitions of “A Question” and “A Statement”. So defensive he has become!
I wonder how simple-minded version of Socrates this is! Not able to understand the answer to his question but try to take false defense behind definitions! Posted by JIDZ, Monday, 9 March 2015 8:15:43 PM
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Thank you Hypo for answering at least one question.
Hypo: Do they not know that the Age of the Mary was 12 when she married Joseph who was 90. Thank you again Hypo. I brought this up earlier. Mary was betrothed to Antipas, Herods son & Agustus Ceasars friend. Agustus raped Mary in Rome & Herod murdered Antipas because he thought Antipas was after his Throne. Mary was quickly married off to an 90 year old Sacrificial Firer Tenderer (Joseph) fron the Temple. Mary’s aunt Ann was married to one of the Temple’s High Priests. Just to fill in the story. Hypo: these bigots continue to carry out cheap attacks of misquoting Quranic texts and searching for the one bad apple as a pre-text for burning the entire orchard. The problem is that there is more than one bad apple in the carton & these bad apples are being devoured by most moslems & the whole carton of apples is going bad fast. Remember the Quote by Charodry & other noted Imams, “There are no moderate moslems, only moslems.” I don’t hate anypeople or any Religion. Yes, I’m an athiest. What I hate is the Dogma. Most Christians give a cursory glance at Christian Dogma, but moslems “live” Islam to the max, even moderate ones. That’s what the worry ‘s in the West Hypo: They belong in the dark ages with their single minded bigotry, they are threat to the modern world and all that is peaceful. Un evolved humanoids masquerading as civilised.. I do take it you were talking about you fellow moslems here? The West is already living in the modern enlightened World unfortunately the West believe the World is round & it goes around the Sun. Do you? “Yes” or “No.” Posted by Jayb, Monday, 9 March 2015 8:23:58 PM
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Do you McAdam, .. support Child marriages in Australia. "Yes" or "No."
If "Yes," then is a "refusal" to allow such a Marriage in Australia a Persecution of Islamic Values. "Yes" or "No." McAdam: Can you please tell me how is the question that you ask, related to the topic under discussion? To refresh your memory, the topic we are discussing is that inciting religious or racial hatred and blatantly spreading discord and division disrupts the community, and is harmful for Australia. I will refer you back to: & also Post on Pg26 Quran 2:190- Fight in the way of Allah against those WHO FIGHT AGAINST YOU, BUT BEGIN NOT HOSTILITIES. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. I'm just trying to understand exactly what is meant by "Persecution, Oppressed & State of War," according to the Koran & Hadith. “Fight against you” includes, “Persecution & Oppression,” as explained in an earlier post by one of you. By Persecution & Oppression does that mean anything that moslems declare as Persecution or Oppression is, to Islam. E.g.: Refusal to allow a moslem to marry & consumate that marrage with a child under the age of 16, Refusal to be allowed to build a Mosque, Refusal to move a Pig farm after a Mosque is build on the neighbouring land, Refusing to grant a special day for moslems & screen off an area for moslem women at the Local Swimming Pool, Refusal to put a screen around the Local Pool because the sight of so many naked bodies is offensive to moslems. Refusing to pay to have a food declared Halal. Declaring that the Burka or other such women's clothing inhumane. Declaring that Sharia Law is forbidden. Declaring that a moslem can only have one wife. Does Refusing any of the above list mean that moslems are being Persecuted, Oppressed or that a “State of War” exists? “Yes” or “No.” I suspect that the answer to the questions must be "Yes." as they avoided, diverted & Posted by Jayb, Monday, 9 March 2015 8:56:40 PM
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Jayb,
We are engaged in a discussion, on a topic. This discussion has to stay focussed. No one can be allowed to twist or high jack the discourse or simply side track it, as you clearly are trying to. Please establish link of your input to the topic and I will,surely respond. If you can not or you do not, then you are free to post what you like. I can not be a party to wasting every body's time on non issues. Good luck and regards Posted by McAdam, Monday, 9 March 2015 10:14:27 PM
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McAdam: The topic we are discussing is that inciting religious or racial hatred and blatantly spreading discord and division disrupts the community, and is harmful for Australia.
Please establish link of your input to the topic and I will,surely respond. That is exactly what moslem demands are doing, blatantly spreading discord and division disrupts the community. Demanding to allow a moslem to marry & consumate that marrage with a child under the age of 16, Demanding to be allowed to build a Mosque anywhere they like, Demanding to have a Pig farm moved after a Mosque is build on the neighbouring land, Demanding a special day for moslems & screen off an area for moslem women at the Local Swimming Pool, Demanding a screen be put around the Local Pool because the sight of so many naked bodies is offensive to moslems. Demanding Companies pay to have a food declared Halal. Demanding that women wear the Burka or other such women's clothing. Demanding that Australia allow Sharia Law. Demanding that a moslem can have more than one wife. This is an example of what Islam eventually has in planned for Australia. http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2388.htm. & you know it. These demands are what is spreading discord and division & disrupting the Australian community, and are harmful to Australia. There was no discord or division in the Australian Community until the arrival of Islamic hordes. Now we have division & discord aplenty. There is your “Link” McAdam. So answer the Questions, as you said you would respond. Unless you have Taqiyya 'ed, again. Which we all expect anyhow. I await you reply, but I surely wouldn’t want to be hanging by the short & curlies. Posted by Jayb, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:21:49 AM
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"Do you McAdam, .. support Child marriages in Australia. "Yes" or "No."
If "Yes," then is a "refusal" to allow such a Marriage in Australia a Persecution of Islamic Values. "Yes" or "No."
Can you please tell me how is the question that you ask, related to the topic under discussion?
To refresh your memory, the topic we are discussing is that inciting religious or racial hatred and blatantly spreading discord and division disrupts the community, and is harmful for Australia.
Please stick to the topic and let me know your stand on the topic.
As for this non issue, that you are trying to re raise, it has been dealt with comprehensively, already.
I state it categorically that this question does not arise.
Please do not ask me to make it more explicit, lest you too feel that some one was insulting you.
Good luck