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Saving democracy from the extremists : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 25/2/2015

The publication had a very un-Australian affect on the readers - comments flooded the paper's social media site vilifying Muslims, promoting hate and creating divisions amongst Australians.

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Jayb,
"I’m not spreading hate. I’m only showing the hate your learned Imams are spreading & insisting that moslems must follow. Are you saying that by exposing them I’m spreading hate?"

You are fanning hatred then, an,t you?

There are innumerable genuine imams with messages of peace and harmony on the net and in the media, you ignore them and only pick the imposters and fanatics and spread their word.
And then you say, you are not spreading hate; some logic, that is!

Problem is with your honesty, as I see in your actions.
You spread hate but don't confess. You fan hate by disseminating cheery picked hate material but don't accept, doing it.

The hate has blinded your rational thinking to the level that that you post an Israeli clip featuring an imposter making an outrageous suggestion of conversion of Buckingham Palace into a mosque and then you assume that readers will buy your argument of this being an imminent threat to the Australians.

Your hatred is oozing out of the terms you use, like the "Islamic Hordes". And look at this proof of your hatred that you pick on Quran only, ignoring the severer injunctions on the same topic in other scriptures. You hate Islam and Muslims but lack the honesty to say so.

You are against the suggestion of the article that inciting religious or racial hatred and blatantly spreading discord and division disrupts the community, and is harmful for Australia, but lack the courage to openly take a position on it.
Why don't you confess that you are a hater and are engaged in fanning hate; that is, if you are honest.

If you choose to remain blinded by hatred and keep basking in the cesspool of lies, it is your choice, go ahead but say what you stand for;........ hatred.

Good luck Jayb, the Hater.
Posted by McAdam, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 1:20:08 PM
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NC: << And do you yourself believe in the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?>> Can you cite an Australian law/practice which can require me to share my personal beliefs with someone I don’t seem to have much common with?

Why didn’t you just say “No?”

NC: “Do you consider an Islamophobe to be an extremist who spreads hate against Muslims?”

Do you consider a Secularphile to be an extremist who spreads hate against non-moslems?

My appologies McAdam the Buckingham Palace should have been Choudary & the “The person shown in the video is niether a well known scholar, nor a representative of the community.” Should have been Ibrahim Saddiq Conlon. Cut & Past mistake.

McAdam: You are against the suggestion of the article that inciting religious or racial hatred and blatantly spreading discord and division disrupts the community, and is harmful for Australia, but lack the courage to openly take a position on it.

No, I agree with the article. Racial Hatred does spread discord & disharmony. That’s why I posted those videos.

McAdam: There are innumerable genuine imams with messages of peace and harmony on the net and in the media, you ignore them.

Of course there are. All with the same message, “Islam is the Religion of peace providing you convert. If not, we’ll kill you.”

McAdam: and only pick the imposters and fanatics and spread their word.

These learned Imams ARE examples of moslems who ARE disrupting the Australian & Western World Community. To say Choudary, (Judge Sharia Law Courts (UK), Dr Zaku Naik, (Persident of Islamic Research Foundation), Siraj, Wahhaj, (Leader of the Islamic Alliance, ISNA Board Member) Maulana A.K. Hoosen (Noted Islamic Scholar) & Kalid Yasen (ISNA Board of Directers) are nobody’s is beyound belief. Or, just convienient. Oh, & Jusuf Estes Islamic Cleric & Speaker.

Should I tell them what you think of them?

All these Imams are keen to explain what should happen to non-moslems. All spreading hate towards non-moslems. I am against moslems like them. Are you?
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 3:42:52 PM
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Loudmouth,

"Divorce in the Koran ? On the same terms as for men ? The same inheritance laws for women as for men ? Blow that one out of your rear end.
So, when do you reckon,...McAdam, Muslim women will get equality with Muslim men in Muslim countries ? Yes, in Australia, where (thank goodness) medieval Muslim law does not apply, and I hope never will."

Some decent language that is, and the user may tell me he is civilized and I am not.

You make two points;
1. Divorce and inheritance laws in Quran
2. Australia having more opportunities for women than in the Muslim countries where medieval Muslims law apply.

Second point first. The word limitation of the post will not allow comprehensive comparison. Just tell me when was a women elected to be prime minister in a Muslim country and when was she in Australia and how many women have been US Presidents?
Have you ever heard of Razia Sultana, the female ruler or the ruling ladies of Bhopal state? Perhaps not, because you are so full of knowledge throgh watching fiction dramas of Sultans. And look at your approach to study of history. You compare Sultans with present day blokes and not with their contemporaries that a sane person should have done and would have arrived at the conclusion that they were very modern compared to the backward Europe of the time.

Second point. Yes you are right, the divorce rights and inheritance laws in Quran are not exact equal for men and for women. What is wisdom of Quranic laws? You don't fathom and you don't care.
But tell me Loudmouth, what are the inheritance rights for women in Bible? In case you did not know; zero
Now tell me what are the divorce rights for women in in Bible? Zero again. Look at the following quotes:-
. "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. (Luke 16:18 )

Continued..
Posted by McAdam, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 8:11:50 PM
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Continues:-

. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.” (Matthew 19:9 )

No divorce rights for men too, if I read it right. Right?

Ever studied the Hindu religion? Do you know what Satti is? burning of the wife alive with the dead body of her husband. A religious obligation, not legal any more.
Do you know the "equal treatment" the current prime minister of India is giving to his wife? If not, please read the Washington Post dated 25,January 2015, Story by Annie Gowen, Titled; "Abandoned as a child bride, wife of Narendra Modi hopes he calls" This is the account of Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi, whom the current prime minister of India married, when she was 17 and abandoned her; without divorcing her yet never giving her a penny's worth of support. He has millions of rupees and she lives hand to mouth. He lives in the Prime Minister's mansion and she in one room hut without a bath room attached. Such inhuman treatment to wives must not be widespread in Hindus, but the majority acquiesce it, that is why they voted him in.

You Loudmouth, pick on Quran, the only scripture that gives right of inheritance and right of getting out of dysfunctional marriage, to women. It granted these rights long ago and Europe took over a thousand years to come close to it. And you ignore the inhumanity being preached in other scriptures and being followed, in some cases, ......to date.

Some honest atheist, you are?
Intellectual dishonesty is too mild a word to encompass the enormity of twist in your personality; completely messed up by the hatred and falsehood you have fed yourself on.
Then you say you are sane and you are honest.

Well done Loudmouth, keep it up. Keep hating as hatred is sure to consume, what ever is left of your sanity.
Good luck.

Concluded
Posted by McAdam, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 9:28:36 PM
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McAdam: "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. (Luke 16:18 )

That’s why we left Religious Law behind & have Secular Laws, so we don’t have to stone our women, like moslems do. Equal rights.

Now there’s a point. Do you think it would be OK for the moslem wife to take a “Tempory” husband. For the night, & divorce him in the morning, like moslem men can do? Equal rights, you know. Or, would that be Adultery.

McAdam: not exact equal for men and for women.

They’re not exactly equal here either mate. The women usually end up with everything. ;-)

McAdam: the only scripture that gives right of inheritance and right of getting out of dysfunctional marriage, to women.

The Sharia Law Courts make it very easy for men to Divorce but very hard for women, though, Ay.

Raziyya al-Din (1205 – October 13, 1240 aged 35) appointed by her father Shams-ud-din Iltutmish to the Sultanate of Delhi in 1236 & they made sure it never happened again. So long ago.

Deflection again. Big deal. Who cares.

Ever studied the Hindu religion? Do you know what Satti is? burning of the wife alive with the dead body of her husband. A religious obligation, not legal any more.

Deflection again. Big deal. Who cares

Hey, your in trouble now. I sent those imposters a copy of your post. Keep a good look out mate. ;-)
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 9:41:39 PM
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NC and McAdam - I admire your resolve
You haven't given up on these haters, even though their mothers gave up on them a long time ago
The mental paralyses they exhibit, would make for good exhibition at the stupidity museum; showcasing the regrettable defects, humanity finally left behind
Posted by theHypocrisy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 10:09:25 PM
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