NC,

In answer, I may have to repeat myself, perhaps three times:

1. 'To your question: "Are you with the extremists who spread hate against Muslims?"

Of course not: I am most certainly with the infuriated Muslim masses who are mobilising their governments against the terrorists.'

2. 'To your question: "Are you with the extremists who spread hate against Muslims?"

Of course not: I am most certainly with the infuriated Muslim masses who are mobilising their governments against the terrorists.'

3. 'To your question: "Are you with the extremists who spread hate against Muslims?"

Of course not: I am most certainly with the infuriated Muslim masses who are mobilising their governments against the terrorists.'

I hope that is enough for you. Now you can answer my two questions:

* Does the Koran promote the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?

* And do you yourself believe in the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?

I'm a very curious person, everybody says so. But I hope you say 'yes' to both questions, or at least to one of them.

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth,

Your post of 10 March 4:56 PM

Show me where you answered my following questions or answer them.

Question1: Do you mean what you said in the following statement?

1- <<I did NOT state that the Koran was so backward that it supported child marriage>>; and

2- <<And frankly, I don't care whether Aisha was two or twenty, that was then, this is now: time and circumstances and societies change (usually)>>

Question 2: Why do you repeat the questions which have been answered already?

Question 3 “Do you think extremists who spread hate against Muslims must be condemned or not?”

Will attend to your questions after you answer mine, including showing you how I have answered them already.

Continues:-

Jayb,

The person shown in the video is niether a well known scholar, nor a representative of the community. There is similar hate rubbish by people of other faiths, posted on the net.
And if we both kept posting the hate material, would that not be fanning the hatred?

Your fears and allegations are ill founded and your language fans hatred and dissension. You are in fact doing, what you blame imaginary Muslims for. See the words you use:-

. "This is an example of what Islam eventually has in planned for Australia..... & you know it."
I do not know it but you claim to be sure that I know it...... How?

. "These demands are what is spreading discord and division & disrupting the Australian community, and are harmful to Australia."
Is there a bill in the assembly? .....Where have these "demands""come from?

. "There was no discord or division in the Australian Community until the arrival of Islamic hordes...." See the word "Islamic hordes" as evidence of hatred you spew.

Finally, what is this Taqiya nonsense that you allege so scandalously? Do you know what Taqiya is?.... Please tell me quiting the authentic sourse and not the unverified hate site filth.

If you believe that Muslims lie to non Muslims, then what is the purpose of this dialogue?

Please have your facts straight, as I see no point in conversing with a person who doubts my sincerity and truthfulness.

I can tell you the sure sign of a lier, though. And that is that he levels allegations without conclusive proof, makes statements without being sure of their truth, exaggerates and twists facts. And you Jayb, fit that description.

I have responded, because you asked me to, but I have not seen how have you established the link with the topic. Are you saying that Muslims spread hatred?
What are you spreading?
If it is hatred that you are spreading and every one can see you are, what is your justification for doing it?

Please do state clearly; your stance on the topic.

Good luck

Concluded

Jayb,

"The site is an Israeli Organization but the speaker is a well known spokesman for Islam & he was speaking about the aims of Islam in Britain. Was he not?"

You are quoting a video posted by an Israeli Organization as an authentic voice of Islam.

You must be familiar with Richard Perle’s strategy of “de-contextualization that he devised to mislead the public opinion. ” Perle, a leading neoconservative militarist (and a prominent advisor of the Likud party of Israel), coined the term “de-contextualization” He argued that in order to blunt the widespread global criticism of the Israeli treatment of Palestinians, their resistance to occupation must be de-contextualized; that is, we must stop trying to understand the territorial, geopolitical and historical reasons that some groups turn to terrorism for. Instead, he suggested, the reasons for the violent reactions of such groups must be sought in the arenas of culture and/or religion—in the Islamic way of thinking and Islam be projected as inherently incompatible with modern world.

Now misleading the public opinion about Islam and projecting it as inherently incompatible with modern world, is the declared policy of Israel and you are using an Israeli site to tell us the real Islamic point of view?

So much for your awareness, intellect and analytical ability, Jayb.

This may be appearing a reliable Islamic source to you but it is rubbish in fact and is amply clear to every reader on this Forum.

And about this nobody you are calling a "well known spokesman for Islam" is suggesting conversion of Buckingham Palace into a mosque. This idiot does not know that never in the history of mankind a place has ever been converted into a mosque. Why? Because it can not be, as Masjid is a specialized building and palace is utterly unsuited for it.
So much for your general knowledge, awareness and ability to discern truth from the propaganda.

I doubt very much Jayb if you can be relied on for any truthful information or sensible input.

Good luck.

" This idiot does not know that never in the history of mankind a place has ever been converted into a mosque. Why? Because it can not be, as Masjid is a specialized building and palace is utterly unsuited for it.
So much for your general knowledge, awareness and ability to discern truth from the propaganda."

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Hagia_Sophia?qsrc=3044
"From the date of its construction in 537 until 1453, it served as an Eastern Orthodox cathedral and seat of the Patriarchate of Constantinople,[1] except between 1204 and 1261, when it was converted to a Roman Catholic cathedral under the Latin Empire. The building was a mosque from 29 May 1453 until 1931. It was then secularized and opened as a museum on 1 February 1935.[2]"

and at http://www.hagiasophia.com/

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/10/22/muslim-group-to-use-former-catholic-church-as-a-mosque/

A number of other references to significant numbers of former churches being converted to Mosques however the sites I saw covering that issue were not ones I had confidence enough in to want to reference.

R0bert

NC,

In answer to your questions:

1 (1) Yes.

1 (2) Yes.

2. Because you haven't answered them.

3. Your question was: “Do you think extremists who spread hate against Muslims must be condemned or not?”

My answer is: of course. And the same goes for Muslim extremists who preach hatred against anybody else, such as Jews or Christians.

Can you give me any examples of any extremists who spread hate against Moslems ? I'll condemn them up hill and down dale, if you like. Just as I would condemn any Muslims who preach hate and incitement to violence against Jews or Christians or Yazidis or Assyrians or Chaldeans or Copts. Scum, either way.

Now you can answer my two questions:

* Does the Koran promote the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?

* And do you yourself believe in the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?

Joe