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Saving democracy from the extremists : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 25/2/2015

The publication had a very un-Australian affect on the readers - comments flooded the paper's social media site vilifying Muslims, promoting hate and creating divisions amongst Australians.

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Jayb,

None of the quotes from Quran you have posted, shows that Muslims are told to tell lies. You did not quote the translation of Qur'an (16:106) - Here it is; Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom(Pickthall)

This too does not prove, what you allege.

On the other hand, Quran stresses repeatedly, that only truth must be told. Read on;
Quran2:42, 3:71, 8:8, 17:81, 21:18 and note that the Harvard University, has the Quran verse 4:135 at the entrance of its faculty of law, as One of the Greatest Expressions of Justice
" O ye who believe! Be ye staunch in justice, witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves or (your) parents or (your) kindred, whether (the case be of) a rich man or a poor man, for Allah is nearer unto both (them ye are). So follow not passion lest ye lapse (from truth) and if ye lapse or fall away, then lo! Allah is ever informed of what ye do."
Muslims tell the truth to Muslims a s well as to non Muslims. They do not practice dual standards; one among themselves and the other with the gentile or Goyam.

Now Jayb, I do not tell lies or make deceptive statements but you do. My question to you of 12 March,7:27:47 AM, remains unanswered. You wrote;
" I agree with the article. Racial Hatred does spread discord & disharmony."
I asked you;
"Racial hatred and not the religious hatred spreads discord & disharmony; is this what you are saying? Please state clearly, don't mince your words."

No answer from you yet!....Why? What is the reason, other than your conceit or deception?

You see Jayb, you mince words, to deceive. Is that not lying? Aren't you lying?
If not, say clearly, are you or are you not for spreading religious hatred?
Speak up Jayb, if you are truthful.....if !
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 13 March 2015 9:01:00 AM
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McAdam: You are to hound Islam, no matter what,

No I don’t hound. I reply to your accusations of “Hate.” I’m an atheist. There is “NO GOD.” Mohammed was a Camel Train Robbing thief & Con man who turned his Business into a Political movement into a Pseudo Religion. The Bible is a collection of inaccurate stories from a by-gone era that has no relevance to the Modern World either. God or Gods are non-existent, no matter what you believe. There is no absolute proof of God or Goos.

McAdam: Islam & all Religions are Political movements masquerading as Religions to control a backward people in a backward land. Islam, being the worst, & most dangerous of all. It has no place in Western Society & must return in total to it’s own country in Total.

McAdam: Precisely, Jayb, it is no big deal and you don't care,

That’s right, I don’t care that women throw themselves on the funeral pyre, or that people bang themselves on the head with swords or blowing themselves up. It’s nature cleansing the Gene Pool & the World is better for it.

McAdam: You have no argument of support your unsustainable stand. and resort to deflection after deflection and at the same time you blame others side for deflection

When I present the evidence you ignore it & divert & deflect but never answer the question directly. It’s not me that deflects, it’s you.

McAdam: Don't take my word for it. Don't rely on Muslim scholars. Thursday, 12 March 2015

One minute you’re telling me to learn from moslem scholars next you are saying not to. Confusing.

McAdam: what is this Taqiya nonsense that you allege so scandalously? Do you know what Taqiya is?.... Please tell me quiting the authentic sourse and not the unverified hate site filth.

I answered you here & still you tell me I never offer any proof of my claims.

“McAdam: Do you consider an Islamophobe to be an extremist who spreads hate against Muslims?”

Of course I do.

cont>
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 13 March 2015 11:16:13 AM
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>Cont.

I’ve asked you this before. No answer.

“Do you consider an Secularphile to be an extremist who spreads hate against Non-Muslims?” Moslems are well known Secularphiles. Arn’t they?

Here is another one you don’t answer & deflected.

I say again:

So, you don’t agree that;
Australia should become the Great Southern Caliphate,
All Australians must become moslems,
Sharia Law must never be implemented,
Homosexuals & Adulterer’s must be whipped & stoned,
Women must wear the face Burka or similar covering.

Are you saying you don’t agree with any of that because, that’s what your imposters want, or don’t you want Australian’s to adopt Islam?

Do you agree to want these things or not? “Yes or “No.”

Here’s another you have refused to answer 3 times & have deflected every time.

The words, “Fight against you” includes, “Persecution & Oppression,” as explained in an earlier post by one of you. (Hypocrite, NC or McAdam)

By Persecution & Oppression does that mean anything that moslems declare as Persecution or Oppression, is, to Islam. E.g.:

Refusal to allow a moslem to marry & consummate that marriage with a child under the age of 16,
Refusal to be allowed to build a Mosque,
Refusal to move a Pig farm after a Mosque is build on the neighbouring land,
Refusing to grant a special day for moslems & screen off an area for moslem women at the Local Swimming Pool,
Refusal to put a screen around the Local Pool because the sight of so many naked bodies is offensive to moslems.
Refusing to pay to have a food declared Halal.
Declaring that the Burka, or other such women's clothing to be inhumane.
Declaring that Sharia Law is forbidden in Australia.
Declaring that a moslem can only have one wife.

Does Refusing any of the above list mean that moslems are being Persecuted, Oppressed or that a “State of War” exists? “Yes” or “No.”
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 13 March 2015 2:05:30 PM
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Jayb,
"Islam, being the worst, & most dangerous of all. It has no place in Western Society & must return in total to it’s own country in Total."

Now you are talking; ......yet indirectly. You have yet not mustered the courage to answer directly what I asked point blank "are you for spreading religious hatred?"

Your indirect confessions have slipped the mask off your face; you are for spreading religious hatred. Look at the hatred you spew; "I don’t care that women throw themselves on the funeral pyre, or that people bang themselves on the head with swords or blowing themselves up. It’s nature cleansing the Gene Pool & the World is better for it."

Sir, I consider spreading hatred a despicable act, that you are so earnestly engaged in. Our respective positions having been clearly defined; can we now agree to disagree?
For you your ways and for me, mine.

I still do not hate you, but disrespect your Hitler like agenda. Go ahead pursue what you think is right. I trust in good judgement of humanity and and am sure that every decent person rejects your agenda.
I disrespect your agenda too and do not wish to be your accomplice, advertently or inadvertently. Please don't bother to address me any more, as I'l ignore all your posts, from now on.

I find Australia to be one of the most harmonious and livable places on earth. Every day, I am greeted with smiles, as I return smiles,, on the street and on the beach; by young and old. No trace of mutual fear and suspicion, may it always remain so.
May this society flourish in its friendliness.
May Australia always remain safe from the Frankenstein of hatred that you and your likes want to unleash, unmindful, what it can do to places. You and your likes are so blinded by the hatred that you can't see what havoc hate and mutual suspicion are playing with Ferguson Missouri and that is what it does, where ever it goes.
May Australia remain safe, from it. Amen

Good luck Sir, and Goodbye
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 13 March 2015 2:24:26 PM
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Loudmouth,

The Surah (Chapter) 65 is entitled “Divorce”.
65:4 deals with the ‘waiting-period’ which the divorced women must undergo before the marriage is finally dissolved and they can remarry.

The translation of 65:4 is

65:4- Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

Three types of women have been mentioned:

1. Those who have “passed the age of monthly courses”; and
2. Those “those who have no courses”. Applies to women who, irrespective of their age don’t have monthly courses; and
3. Those “who carry (life within their wombs)”

There is no “child marriage” in any of the above, for a sane observer. Islamophobes are exceptions.

You, the Islamphobe, can see anything in Quran and stick to it even at the cost of your intellectual integrity.

The Islamophobe, by your own admission, is an extremist, from your “Yes, of course” in response to my question “Do you consider an Islamophobe to be an extremist who spreads hate against Muslims?”

But then we are talking about Loudmouth whose ‘yes’ can be <<neither yes or no>>, as he has told us recently.
Posted by NC, Friday, 13 March 2015 2:54:12 PM
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NC,
'For those who have had no courses ... ' ? Sounds like child marriage to me.

You are a waste of time, NC.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 13 March 2015 4:01:14 PM
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