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Saving democracy from the extremists : Comments
By Junaid Cheema, published 25/2/2015The publication had a very un-Australian affect on the readers - comments flooded the paper's social media site vilifying Muslims, promoting hate and creating divisions amongst Australians.
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Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 3:55:05 PM
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Junaid Cheema's medieval religion has a real PR problem at the moment what with Muslim terrorist mutants running around the planet killing, raping, crucifying, beheading, abducting, and incinerating anybody who is either not Muslim, or not Muslim enough.
Instead of trying to defend the indefensible, Junaid uses the old military tactic of using attack as the best form of defence. Notice how he writes in the tone of high moral indignation. Here is a man who wants to right a terrible wrong and is angry about it. Junaid insists that the problem isn't Muslims. Nup. Cross his heart and hope to die, it isn't Muslims. The real problem is, (drum roll) (wait for it) (wait for it) AUSTRALIANS. Australians are the problem. Australians are just awful to Muslims. Just because Muslim blow Aussies up in Balinese nightclubs, gang rape dozens of "cat meat" Australian girls, shoot Aussies in coffee shops, intimidate Australians on beaches, turn the Southwest of Sydney into the Chicago of the Pacific with endless street shootings, and drive like kamikaze pilots on crack, does not mean that Australians should have a poor opinion of them. Look Junaid, the jig's up, mate. Australians are waking up to the fact that Muslims are simply too backward and violent to ever have been allowed to immigrate into advanced societies. Your religion has a real problem with it's own scriptures. Your prophet is a genocidal slave owning, war lord, paedophile. And the religion that this nut case invented is incredibly violent, intolerant, misogynistic, ultraconservative and unable to relate to the modern world. But unless it changes, than Muslims are going into the future backwards. The reason why Muslims are so poor and incapable of advancement is your stupid religion. The more Muslim any society is, the more backward it is. The problem is Islam, stupid. Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 4:02:26 PM
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Junaid argues that “90% of terror attacks on western soil have nothing to do with Islam” That may be true in Europe, for example, where separatist, anarchist and left-wing groups regularly commit terrorist acts. But the great majority of Australians who have died in terrorist attacks in the past 20 years have died as a result of radical Islamists, including the 88 who died in the first Bali bombs and four in the second; 10 in 9/11; three in the Jakarta Marriot bombings, one in the London bombings and one on the Nairobi mall attack. We have recently had two deaths in Sydney.
And there have been attacks directed at Australia, such as the Jakarta embassy bombing in which several Indonesian citizens died. While it is true that not all terrorists are Muslims, and certainly true that the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, terrorism as experienced and witnessed by Australians in recent years has overwhelmingly been linked to radical Islam. This is not just a case of media bias or unfair demonization: you can prove it with a body count. It is equally nonsensical to say that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It may have a perverse view of Islam than most Muslims find abhorrent, but it does what it does in the name of Islam. As a Christian, I may feel the inquisition was a vile perversion of Christian values, but I could not pretend it had nothing to do with Christianity Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 4:14:49 PM
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generally the hatred of Christ and His teachings have led us to the point where many progressives are just to blinded to see things for how they are. They have totally misrepresented and mocked the Christian faith so what chance have they of interpreting Islam. Its no wonder they are apologist for terrorism. Its forgivable that Junaid would defend his own religion but unbelievable that others are so pig headed (apologies to the muslims). Obviously the self loathing of the principles that made Australia the envy of the world has come home to roost.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 4:55:47 PM
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Dear hate mongers and bigots:
Great job on proving the article's point. I read the authors piece he strike me as reasonable (I may disagree on some bits). I read your comments and you sound like medieval plebs pretending to be civilised- funny that. Hitler convinced the lowest common dominator of the 20th century that the Jews were responsible for the worlds problems. You as the lowest common denominator of the 21st century are convinced muslims are - look in the mirror mate.Great job at falling on your face. Thankfully you don't represent Australia. Your historical and religious inaccuracies are two many to name, but they would make a good sequel for American sniper or a rant on Fox News (fair and unbiased). Get a basic education and then we can talk , until then you are on ignore - Chao Posted by theHypocrisy, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 5:21:56 PM
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Rhian "As a Christian, I may feel the inquisition was a vile perversion of Christian values, but I could not pretend it had nothing to do with Christianity"
Very well put. This who argument that the extremists are not really muslim does not cut it. The mix of religion and culture is heavily entwined but for those concerned about the way muslim migration is playing out it's not all neatly separated out just as it's not neatly separated out for those who think mutilating young girls and older ones being covered up is part of their religion. It's hard for those of us not defending Islam to separate the views of Sheikh Hilaly when he was one of if not the senior Muslim figure in Australia and expressed a number of extreme views including his "uncovered meat" comments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_El-Din_Hilaly I can accept that some of those heading to the middle East to fight with ISIS might be on the fringes but too many of those seemingly doing the support activities seem to be a major part of their local Muslim community. Maybe there are fierce debates within the Muslim community about this stuff but for those of us outside they are rarely visible in any shape or form, just some denial when it goes against Islam and claims that it's nothing to do with the religion. Jardine has made the point about the extremists following in many ways the model of your prophet who appears to be widely revered by most muslims. Do muslims deny the claims made regarding the atrocities committed by your prophet? There are those on both sides of the divide who seek to cause strife but I do not think the process is helped by the pretence that it's nothing to do with Islam. If it is nothing to do with the faith then it's well past time that Muslims ditched a lot of cultural baggage that is giving the faith a really bad rap. Personally I don't think it's all culture. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 5:35:43 PM
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for two main reasons: because for the most part the problem that is being described in the article is not to do with Islam, but to do with the other factors discussed, therefore the issue of Islam is a red herring and your phrasing is deliberately provocative.
Secondly, as has been reiterated time and again, here and elsewhere, what a Moslem chooses to take from the principles of their faith is entirely up to them, it is not something defined centrally by fiat, therefore your basic tenets are flawed.
CH, as a hippy you've probably never done much work in your own life, but I can assure you that it is very difficult to get Centrelink to form out for programs like forklift licenses unless there is a job lined up that requires it. Of course, for people like yourself who have the skills to scam Centrelink into paying for all sorts of things that the rest of us prefer to work for, that might not be a problem, but for a kid from the wrong side of the tracks it's not such a doddle.