Loudmouth,

Your post 9 March 6:06 pm

The fig leaf has been LIFTED. Your ploys now stand exposed.

Thanks Craig Minns for your comment.
Thanks JIDS for your observation.

Loudmouth, the comments of these two wise people provide you an answer to your
<<What readers might make of my questions..>>, can you see the writing on the wall? NO FIG LEAF above you anymore!!

You have avoided answers to my two questions contained in my post of 9 March (3:22 pm).

Why? Because it would partly obstruct your strategy to place Quran, Islam and dreadful practices of all kinds in the same sentence and make it look like a question.

As a guileful Islamophobe, you have done this ONLY all along. And you will (most likely) keep trying to do it despite the fact that your malicious questions have been answered more than once by McAdam and by myself clearly that none of the vile practices you keep referring to are supported by Quran.

This brings me to my 3rd question:

Why do you repeat the questions which have been answered already?

Is there a reason other than your crafty technique of placing message of Islam and despicable practices of all kinds in the same sentence or paragraph to leave an engineered impression (you hope for) in the minds of the readers?

Your struggle, Loudmouth is against the TRUTH – the TRUTH of what you are trying to do and the TRUTH of what you are trying to hide.

And the TRUTH is a formidable adversary for whosoever you are.

You WILL answer my three questions so far, as I DO plan to bring them up (every time I address you) along with any further questions that your deceitful strategy necessitates.

Jayb,

"There is your “Link” McAdam.
So answer the Questions, as you said you would respond.
Unless you have Taqiyya 'ed, again. Which we all expect anyhow.
I await you reply."

I watched the video on the link of MEMRI. That is the "red rag" that enraged people like you, are made to see.

Now see the hand waving that red rag, if you can:-

"The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is a not for profit press monitoring organization with headquarters in Washington, D.C.MEMRI publishes and distributes free English language translations of Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Pashto, and Turkish media reports. The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born American political scientist."
(Google it yourself, if you like.)

There is an apparent commonality in the genesis of ISIS and organizations like MEMRI. One waves a flag on the crime scenes to make the ignorant believe that Islam stands for beheading, burning people alive etc and the other aims to scare the gullible that they will get up one morning and see Shariah imposed upon them.

A person with average knowledge knows that the law is in the domain of people themselves and it has to be in accord with their ethos. Any thing imposed in conflict with their values can not function as law.

Those with even rudimentary knowledge of Islam know that the Prophet, peace be upon him, did not descend on his people with "though shall not" commandments. He spent twenty three years gradually preparing people for improvement in steps. And laws were framed in accordance with the values of the people. So the idea that Sharia can be imposed from top, on unwilling people, is absurd.

Now sir, how do you claim that the video you post, is the representative of Muslims in Australia?
What is the basis of this claim?
Any Australians making this demand?

A video posted by a site created by Israelis and having a zealot in UK make foolish claims, is by no stretch of imagination, representative of Australian Muslims.

Continued..

"other aims to scare the gullible that they will get up one morning and see Shariah imposed upon them"

I suspect for most its more a concern that it's death by a thousand cuts rather than waking one morning and finding Shariah imposed on them.

Lots of litle concessions each either adding a restriction on the freedom of others and or a cost born by all to support the wants/demands of the few.

For many we have already been through that we the damaging control the christian church has had on laws impacting on all in the past (and some still impacting). If muslims want to impose restrictions on themselves go for it as long as you don't try and pass the consequences of those choices onto others but I don't get the impression that the goal is just freedom to practice their faith an leavng others free to make their own choices.

The latter seems unlikely with a faith/cultural grouping where even senior leaders give credance to the uncovered meat approach to rape and womens attire.

R0bert

McAdam: A video posted by a site created by Israelis and having a zealot in UK make foolish claims, is by no stretch of imagination, representative of Australian Muslims.

The site is an Israeli Organization but the speaker is a well known spokesman for Islam & he was speaking about the aims of Islam in Britain. Was he not?

The organization, like any Media outlet, is just broadcasting the views of the speaker. They are not the views of the Organization reporting it.

McAdam: Now sir, how do you claim that the video you post, is the representative of Muslims in Australia?
What is the basis of this claim? Any Australians making this demand?

Below are Videos by moslems, about moslems, to moslems. These people represent Islamic interests in Australia & their plans for the future.

Muslim Sharia Law in Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7eQyrDt-U

They think the Islamic Flag will fly over Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAPmJexGvIc

Radical islam in Australia , Vigilante's to enforce Sharia Law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gkI9__ipX4

Muslam Leader admits Islam is not a religion of Peace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0XNcPNXS1I

Islamic Sharia Law push down under. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlOq8-qQlI

Islam a problem in Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsiKVc028I0

Islam in Australia & what it’s wants in Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHt94EGrac

How to treat non-moslems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VyaALS1H3A

Australian Islamist: We Will Establish a Caliphate, Instate Sharia, Make Arabic Official Language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZINdCAmdXoQ

Muslim Warning/Information | Australian Immigration | Fundamental Islam January 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Oy0vVk5UI

This is why I don’t believe Islam is a Religion that should be allowed to flourish in Australia. It is much too dangerous to all non-moslem Australians.

Hi NC,

I certainly hope that you are right when you say: "The infuriated Muslim masses are mobilising their governments against the terrorists." It would be wonderful to get some evidence of that.

To your question: "Are you with the extremists who spread hate against Muslims?"

Of course not: I am most certainly with the infuriated Muslim masses who are mobilising their governments against the terrorists.

Please don't confuse questions with statements. You and I and everybody else have the right to ask questions. That's how we learn from each other :)

For example, here are two more yes/no questions, easy to answer: Does the Koran promote the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?

And do you yourself believe in the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?

I just want to be clear that we are initiating a discussion on the basis of similar foundations.

Thank you, NC.

Joe

Loudmouth,

Your post of 10 March 2:55 pm

I will start with pointing out that you have not answered my following questions yet.

Question1: Do you mean what you said in the following statement?

1- <<I did NOT state that the Koran was so backward that it supported child marriage>>; and

2- <<And frankly, I don't care whether Aisha was two or twenty, that was then, this is now: time and circumstances and societies change (usually)>>

Question 2: Why do you repeat the questions which have been answered already?

Also you have not provided a direct answer to my question:

"Are you with the extremists who spread hate against Muslims?"

Let me introduce Question 3 here for you for a specific answer. Will have to repeat the question if you avoid a direct answer:

“Do you think extremists who spread hate against Muslims must be condemned or not?”

I have made a statement of fact about Muslim countries mobilising against the terrorists. Don’t expect I will waste a second of my time trying to educate an Islamophobe on the details that he must dig himself from the press of the Muslim countries.

On your new question:

<<Does the Koran promote the equality of men and women in accordance with the rule of law in Australia ?>>

Let me point out the findings of an open minds (Karen Armstrong)

“The Quran gave women rights of inheritance and divorce centuries before Western women were accorded such status”

Are you sure you can expect about 1500 year old scripture to match “the rule of law in Australia of the year 2015”. What about other countries of the west, east, north and south, and what about other times?

You restrict a ridiculous question like this for Islam ONLY. Obviously other scriptures are not your concern. And your guileful Imslophobia is the only explanation for this.

Let us leave my personal beliefs for a later time when I would like to know aspects of your 'faith' as well, after we have handled the questions under discussion.

Will wait for answers to my questions