Islamic equality:

4:176 "Unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females."
2:228 "(Women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them."

Taqiya

From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

McAdam: You, who promptly digs out Razia Sultana, feigns ignorance of Richard Perle. And you say instantaneously, "I have never heard of him.", in the style of a criminal, caught red handed; " I've nothing to do with it".
I didn’t know of her until you mentioned her & I still hadn’t seen or heard of Perle, ever.
Page 36 Posted by McAdam, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 8:11:50 PM: Have you ever heard of Razia Sultana, the female ruler or the ruling ladies of Bhopal state?

I say again:

So you don’t agree that;
Australia should become the Great Southern Caliphate,
All Australians must become moslems,
Sharia Law must never be implemented,
Homosexuals & Adulters must be whipped & stoned,
Women must wear the face Burka or similar covering.

Are you saying you don’t agree with any of that because, that’s what your imposters want, or you don’t want Australian’s to adopt Islam?

Do you agree to wanting these thing or not? “Yes or “No.”

Do you know what Taqiya is?..

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Hadith

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

So you are allowed to lie to me. Are you?

Loudmouth,

"As for chid marriage, Surah 64: 4 seems to imply that a man can divorce his 'wife' before she has menstruated, i.e. when she is still pre-pubescent. That sounds like 'child marriage' to me."

What is this?
And what reference is this?

There is no such thing as you allege in Surah 64 Ayat 4 or even in Surah 4 Ayat 64.

Criticism of Quran is your subject and you haven't read the book.
You earlier on made allegations which you could not substantiate. Now you give reference from Quran that has no head or tail.

Do you see, that every one can not resort to cross references? Some may take as truth the falsehood you post. Do you feel the guilt of misleading others?

Do you realize you waste the time of the reader and give proof that you are a non serious time waster who is reckless with his assertions which are essentially worthless.

And how inconsistent you are. When the Forum was engaged in the discussion on Child Marriage, your stance was; "And frankly, I don't care whether Aisha was two or twenty, that was then, this is now: time and circumstances and societies change"

Now when the discussion has moved on, you bring up the issue, you said was non issue.

Are you sane?
I asked you this question earlier on and you claimed you were fairly sane. Is this the proof of your sanity?

Are you in your senses?
Are you sober?
Are you worth wasting one's time on?

Good luck loudmouth and Goodbye.

On NC's remark that there must be a reason why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West.
I feel, beside other reasons, it is because of people like Loudmouth.

They demonize the religion so much with all the false allegations that when a fair minded person makes a serious effort to understand the religion he/she is pleasantly surprised to see the truth.

Loudmouth I think you may have been looking for 65:4 A discussion on conditions of divorce.

quran.com/65

Sahih International
"And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease."

An alternate translation at http://al-quran.info/#65 which puts the relevant part as "and for those [as well] who have not yet had menses."

Or http://www.alim.org/library/quran/surah/english/65/MAL
"and the same will apply to those who have no menstruation due to young age or a disease."

R0bert

Continued:-

Jayb,

"Do you know what Satti is? burning of the wife alive with the dead body of her husband. ....Big deal. Who cares"

Who cares, you say, and it is not a big deal, you say. There is a religion that places such a preposterous demand on women; no big deal? It is mandating the burning the wife alive....No big deal? ......WHAT?

Precisely, Jayb, it is no big deal and you don't care, because criticism of out-dated religions is not your subject. You don't care if Bible gives no right of inheritance and no right of divorce to women, you don't care. . It does not concern you Jayb, if Bible addresses men only and Quran addresses men and women both.

You are to hound Islam, no matter what, even though it is the only religion that gives right of inheritance and right to get divorce to women. You faithfully do what "they" have tasked you to and have let you loose on; regardless of merit.

And you don't realize what you have been reduced to and how are you being used.

You stand on the slippery ground of lies and have no guts to state clearly what you stand for; hatred.

You have no argument of support your unsustainable stand and resort to deflection after deflection and at the same time you blame others side for deflection. You are the kind, who can stare a fact in the eye and then deny it exists. You say the most preposterous thing that burning the wife alive with the dead body of the husband is no big deal and that you don't care.

Jayb, people in Japan and Korea, if dishonor themselves to the extent you have done yourself, they commit suicide.

But,..... You don't care. Go on, "they" would be pleased with you.

Good luck.

NC,

Yes, 65:4.

As for your question:

“Do you consider an Islamophobe to be an extremist who spreads hate against Muslims?”

Yes, of course. But someone who constantly tries to discover the truth about Islamist extremism is not necessarily an Islamophobe. Can you see the difference ?

Joe